African Americans received some ‘personal benefit’ from slavery

I guess you refuse to see it.

 

Good to hear, because the post I quoted earlier made it sound like you were trying to downplay it. Anyway, I also made an earlier post openly saying that slavery is still very much around.

 

If there was a point I’d have seen it already….

 

I never said that it was an excuse for slavery. What I said was some slaves achieved remarkable things under the worst circumstances.

 

Like I said, you don’t want a dialog; you only want to virtue signal.

 

Well I am confident that the other 99.99% of slaves didn't fare well. Using minor anecdotal evidence is not correct history, and slavery was not advantageous except for the slave owner.

 

Whatever you think you were getting at, nothing at all changes that slavery was one of the worst evils done in American history and a few people developing skills as slaves changes absolutely nothing and there’s no way to spin it like it was a positive. That’s not how it works.

 

No, really.
How recently should I go to give you examples od LIBERAL racism?
50 years?
5 years?
1 year?

 

It is not DeSantis it is professional educators.

Why shouldn't this be taught in schools?

"...we must acknowledge that, notwithstanding the cruelty and moral wrong of slavery, the ten million Negroes inhabiting this country, who themselves or whose ancestors went through the school of American slavery, are in a stronger and more hopeful condition, materially, intellectually, morally, and religiously, than is true of an equal number of black people in any other portion of the globe. This is so to such an extent that Negroes in this country, who themselves or whose forefathers went through the school of slavery, are constantly returning to Africa as missionaries to enlighten those who remained in the fatherland."

 

That's everywhere in world kiddo throughout time. Egyptians enslaved people. Aztecs enslaved people. Cavemen enslaved people. Probably ate them too Vikings. Native Americans. The Chinese currently enslave vast portions of their citizenry. There’s slavery all throughout Africa RIGHT NOW!!! Nasty **** going on to this day in South and Central America.

It wasn’t just white people. POC bought and SOLD slaves before “white” people were even WHITE!!!

Just curious. But is there a drug trade without people MAKING drugs? Doesn’t matter if you want drugs. If no one CREATES the drugs there are NO drugs!!! If no one SOLD vast amounts of slaves there would be NO slave industry. It doesn’t matter who wanted them. Someone has to grab all those people in Africa and bring them to ships and not everyone controlling the ships were white. And it certainly wasn’t white people thundering throughout Africa enslaving tribe after tribe. The strong tribes captured the weak tribes and SOLD them to white and black people who sold them to others until they hit the ships that transported them across the oceans.

Im not absolving anyone of their crimes. But those people are freaking DEAD!!! My Jewish ancestors from Poland, Germany and Russia didn’t sell freaking slaves, depending how far back you want to go. They didn’t get here until the 20s. So my family didn’t do ****. I didn’t do ****. My kids certainly haven’t done ****. So anyone trying to teach them that they should feel guilty for the past can eat ****.

No teachers today were slaves. No one born in this country and alive today really has a clue. They are ALL privileged. Privileged to have the ability to become millionaires if they make the right decisions and work hard enough. NOT all. But some. The opportunity is there. A crap ton more than growing up in Africa, that’s for sure. If you don’t like it, go trade places. I’m sure a kid living over there who knows TRUE poverty will switch places in a heartbeat. People moaning about hardships or racism living in This country, NOW? Freaking laughable.

 

Let's talk reparations. My Irish ancestors came over as indentured servants. Where's mine?

 

Why - because it's pretends that 100 years of freedom isn't the main factor in modern black Americans having the education and financial standing
that they have today. It also assumes that being a Christian missionary is some type of gauge of American success. It also assumes that those same
modern black Americans wouldn't have been as successful, if not more so, in their own country. It also points out the extreme prejudice and ignorance
of a number of Republicans - cause many parts of Africa are not mud huts, like you people seem to think. Modern Nigeria ...



Modern Cameroon



Gifford, Florida ...



Just sayin' - teaching the "benefits" of slavery is purely assumptions of "maybe" these slaves would have been better off ... but there isn't a singe
Conservative who would be willing become a slave no matter the "benefits" they might receive. Slavery sucked. End of story. Don't try to whitewash it.

 

But Billy's Mom lets him do it......

 

It’s obvious that it is impossible to have a productive dialog with you. You can’t even give credit to slaves who worked hard and did the most they could with what they had because of your ideology.

So far as slavery in the U.S. is concerned, it was much worse on the Caribbean islands. The mortality rates were terrible. The death tolls were so high that the slave owners had to keep importing them to keep up the workforce.

In the U.S. the official end to the importation of the slaves ended in 1808. That didn’t stop some slave sellers from bringing more in illegally, but the national increase in the population was enough to satisfy demand.

Slavery was bad in the U.S. It was worse in the Caribbean.

 

And trying to compare extreme examples of the BEST in Africa and WORST in the US is truly laughable. Are you actually serious? Let me ask, how much WHITE, Indian or Asian money allowed those specific areas of Africa to thrive

And if you read the FULL documentation instead of listening to moron Kamala, you might be more informed. NO ONE is saving slavery was good. Just that some former slaves become quite successful afterwards due to skills they learned. Doesn’t discount slavery. Just recalling they actually learned skills they would NOT have learned building mud huts in Africa. It’s not like most of that continent was the center of mathematics or engineering at the time. Maybe you’re imaging Wakanda or something

Slavery was terrible and NO ONE is saying otherwise. But what else do Democrats have except spreading BS and race wars every chance they get?

 

The issue is that DeSantis believes Slavery was GOOD for many.

Somehow, he accepts the idea that black men were bred and sold as work animals.

DeSantis proves himself a total and abject racist - and, it isn't like this is the first time.

 

DeSantis is. He's stating he believes slavery had a HELPFUL element.

He declares himself to be an abject racist.

 

Of course it had a helpful element. America wouldnt exist with out the labor of slaves. Certainly doesnt make it right.

 

You can live in your own little woke world, and everyone else can exercise a layer objectivity.

 

You could just as easily say that about Desantis. Hell, it would be WAY easier to say that about him.

 

Just illustrating that the "benefits" are only applicable if you disregard what might have happened if they were allowed to stay in their own country. Might
they have been poorer ? Maybe. Might they have been richer ? Maybe.

And if we are going to teach the "benefits" of slavery in schools, then it would have to follow that the "benefits" to slave owners and the country's
economy as a whole need to be taught as well. We need to teach that for every dollar of potential future benefit to the slaves, that the slave owners
and the country's economy received thousands of dollars of immediate returns. I don't think this is really the hill that
Conservatives want to stake their future on.

 

I'm always amazed that every time a conservative rationalizes racism, they don't realize that it is STILL racism.

 

So what you are saying is that we need to consider the BEST outcomes when talking about slavery - but we can't discuss the BEST outcomes of
the Africans who were not enslaved? Got it.

 

I am not as impressed with DeSantis as I once was, but both the Democrat alternatives who ran against him were worse. One was a total disaster. He had a drug problem and got caught with a male prostitute.

 

And he's rabidly authoritarian and wants to erase history. Whether you think you can find someone worse or not (and I doubt you can) you can't change that.