African Americans received some ‘personal benefit’ from slavery

Those arent accusations, bro

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-cpac-nick-fuentes-afpac-white-nationalist/

 

Two problems with this incredibly short sighted post:

1. For every white person who fought to stop slavery there was another who fought to keep it

2. Slavery exists on every continent today, not just chattel slavery but sex slavery, forced labor and human trafficking. It’s never gone away completely.

 

It wasn't Andrew Young; it was a member of his delegation.

 

It is meaningless to say a practice so widespread -- and accepted as normal and natural -- was "bad." Seems to me more important to understand why we think that and they did not. That's part of the complexity.

 

In fact, "African Americans received some ‘personal benefit’ from slavery."

But that begs the question: So what?
Does the fact that many slaves were able to learn important trade and agricultural skills in spite of the oppressive nature of the slave system somehow diminish the evil of slavery or the Jim Crow system of defacto slavery that was imposed after Reconstruction? Not a bit.

“Very soon the freedmen became self-sustaining and gave little trouble. They began to build themselves comfortable cabins, and the government constructed hospitals for the sick. In the case of the sick and dependent, a tax was laid on the wages of workers. At first it was thought the laborers would object, but, on the contrary, they were perfectly willing and the imposition of the tax compelled the government to see that wages were promptly paid. The freedmen freely acknowledged that they ought to assist in helping bear the burden of the poor, and were flattered by having the government ask their help. It was the reaction of a new labor group, who, for the first time in their lives, were receiving money in payment for their work. Five thousand dollars was raised by this tax for hospitals, and with this money tools and property were bought. By wholesale purchase, clothes, household goods and other articles were secured by the freedmen at a cost of one-third of what they might have paid the stores. There was a rigid system of accounts and monthly reports through army officials.

In 1864, July 5, Eaton reports: "These freedmen are now disposed of as follows: In military service as soldiers, laundresses, cooks, officers' servants, and laborers in the various staff departments, 41,150; in cities on plantations and in freedmen's villages and cared for, 72,500. Of these 62,300 are entirely self-supporting—the same as any industrial class anywhere else —as planters, mechanics, barbers, hack-men, draymen, etc., conducting enterprises on their own responsibility or working as hired laborers. The remaining 10,200 receive subsistence from the government. 3,000 of them are members of families whose heads are carrying on plantations and have under cultivation 4,000 acres of cotton. They, are to pay the government for their sustenance from the first income of the crop. The other 7,200 include the paupers— that is to say, all Negroes over and under the self-supporting age, the crippled and sick in hospital, of the 113,650 and those engaged in their care. Instead of being unproductive, this class has now under cultivation 500 acres of corn, 790 acres of vegetables and 1,500 acres of cotton, besides working at wood-chopping and other industries. There are reported in the aggregate over 100,000 acres of cotton under cultivation. Of these about 7,000 acres are leased and cultivated by blacks. Some Negroes are managing as high as 300 or 400 acres."
BLACK RECONSTRUCTION IN AMERICA 1860- 1880, W.E.B. Dubois, introduction by David Levering Lewis, XVII THE PROPAGANDA OF HISTORY, the Free Press new York 1998.

Much of what was gained during the very brief period of reconstruction was lost with the imposition of the Black Codes and the onslaught of white racist violence to stop the economic progress in the black American community and destroy its accumulated capital assets. ("Black Wall Street" Tulsa).

Black Americans under slavery and after repeatedly used their intelligence, resourcefulness and resilience to advance themselves in spite of the oppressive conditions they have had to overcome to achieve anything.

The only political risk for De Santis will come from a failure to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about slavery.

 

And those who fought to stop it won. And not all those “defending” it did it willingly.

And anyone running human trafficking today is mostly non white. It’s a POC thing now. Africa. Central south americas.Asian continent.

And it’s not short sighted. YOU are short sighted AGAIN shifting blame to white people. Why? Why the insistence on vilifying a single race when everyone was involved. And the race who should be MOST ashamed are black people who sold there own to keep it going. And today POC are mostly still practicing it.

The education going on in FL is honest. Makes kids actually THINK. It’s not indoctrination, CRT garbage trying to make children feel guilty for things they NEVER did. It’s just evil what leftists are doing. Do these same leftists make black kids feel guilty for their ancestors? Nope. They LIE to them making it seem like white people just pulled up to beaches and rounded up black people by the 1000s. Sorry. No. Didn’t work like that kids. They would have been out numbered and slaughtered by any tribes they were unlucky enough to come across.

 

Tribes that did not use slaves took no prisoners. Slavery certainly is an evil human institution, but it represented significant progress for humanity as it advanced toward civilization.
Even advanced organized human cultures that practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism are considered "civilized", probably because tribal systems including their warfare and atrocities were far more horrific.

"Of course, many tribal societies took no prisoners and retained no prisoners of any sex or age. The Chemehuevi of the Southwest and several tribes in California spared no one. Perhaps the harshest treatment of captives was meted out in Polynesia. The Tahitians are described as leaving enemy children pinned to their mothers with spears or "pierced through the head and strung on cords." The Maoris sometimes disabled captive women so that they could not escape, permitting the Warriors to rape, kill, and eat them when it was more convenient to do so. Even in societies where captives were taken, once general killing started it could be difficult to stop. For example, in an Asmat head-hunting raid in New Guinea, anyone interested in saving a woman or child as a captive (something rarely done) experienced considerable difficulty in preventing his overexcited comrades from dispatching his chosen prisoners."
WAR BEFORE CIVILIZATION, The Myth of the Peaceful Savage, Lawrence H. Keeley, Oxford University Press, Oxford, New York, 1996, p 87.

 

lying according to you. Nobody can teach 100% history, you have to pick and choose what to cover, how much of it, and what interpretive angle you’re going to take. You saying they’re “lying” because they don’t want to hyper focus on racial history to the detriment of all else and make students hate each other and themselves is just partisan BS on your part.

The results of your “everything is perfect! Nothing to see here!” with schools speak for themselves:

stop BSing all over the place and telling me it smells like roses.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/03/1173432887/history-and-civics-scores-drop-for-u-s-eighth-graders-on-national-test#:~:text=The scores in U.S. history,students met the same benchmark.

Looks like I’m right! Students are stupider than ever but you’re telling the racist curriculum is just great please don’t touch it or else you’re lying!

total BS

 

I asked the question 'what history is being revised?' because I suspected you would have difficulty answering it. Sounds like my suspicion was correct.

 

There really is no bottom huh?

 

I am confident those % of people didn't need slavery to make themselves craftsmen, they certainly could have done it as free men.

 

Funny story about your claim on human trafficking:

https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/human-trafficking-data-collection-activities-2022

 

Let’s see …

Enslaved people use their intelligence and resourcefulness to learn skills like carpentry, blacksmithing, seamstress/tailoring, farming and other skills to use to earn a living after they were freed. Probably unknown to progressives, who don’t want to learn antebellum history, slaves were hired out and were able to work and save money that could be used to buy their freedom. Some slaves saved incredible amounts money like over $1,000, which was a small fortune in the 19th century.

But we don’t need to learn any of this because all good things come from government handouts and redistribution of assets via reparations. Yea, hard work and resourcefulness must be ignored because that does not fit the progressive narrative.

 

Do you have a point?

 

Slavery was bad, not a complex statement at all. Don’t make it out to be anything otherwise.

 

They could have made more as free men. They were only freed until 600k people died, and this is one of the lamest excuses for slavery.

 

No one is defending slavery. But I will defend the value of discussing intelligently a widespread institution and its relatively sudden and recent demise.

 

What the Harris and the left are saying versus the facts what do you think?

Cite where Florida teaches slavery was a good thing.

 

That's just a stupid statement. You really think that the slave holders only acquired slaves because someone else was providing them? Those poor innocent white people were seduced into the evils of slavery by the manipulative tribal chiefs of Africa? If the people that you claim were responsible for slavery here in the US had not gone along they would have been in chains next to the people they were betraying. Slave trade existed in the US for only one reason. The belief by those engaged in it that those they were enslaving were less than human.

 

No, what you are doing is trying to absolve the United States for it's participation of the evil of slavery.

 

Nope. You will find no post of mine that even hints at that.

 

Just as Florida teaches so what is the complaint here?

 

So white people who were enslaved were considered less than human too?

 

Do you consider this racist and stupid and should never been taught in our schools?

"...we must acknowledge that, notwithstanding the cruelty and moral wrong of slavery, the ten million Negroes inhabiting this country, who themselves or whose ancestors went through the school of American slavery, are in a stronger and more hopeful condition, materially, intellectually, morally, and religiously, than is true of an equal number of black people in any other portion of the globe. This is so to such an extent that Negroes in this country, who themselves or whose forefathers went through the school of slavery, are constantly returning to Africa as missionaries to enlighten those who remained in the fatherland."

 

DeSantis seems to think that teaching that slavery offered “personal benefits” to slaves is necessary teaching. That’s the point of the thread.