African Americans received some ‘personal benefit’ from slavery

This is how ****ing stupid and reprehensibility DeSantis is, "PARLAYED"
He said this today when asked about V.P. Harriss's condemnation of Florida's latest, their so-called "robust" educational additions .

• DeSantis said he wasn't involved in the development of the new curriculum and referred questions to the Florida Department of Education
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• "They're probably going to show is some of the folks that eventually parlayed being a blacksmith into doing things later, later in life," he said."

My post Thursday morning.

"I see, so a Black man could learn blacksmithing and the chains he made could be put around his ankles by his white master.
Or he could learn to make whips from animal hides and his white master could use it to whip him.
Education Commissioner Diaz tries to give new meaning to the word "robust" which was approved by Little Musso.
Meatball Musso is rolling faster and faster down the failed presidential candidate hole.



'Florida approves Black history standards decried as 'step backward'
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Why is it that modern Republicans are the ones flying the confederate flag then?

I do find it odd that you believe southern religious conservative Democrats of 150 years ago are similar to northern and western non-religious liberal Democrats of today.

Fascinating display of your narrative

 

No you were not. If you were just reporting a personal experience you would not start your post “No one denies the horrors in the history of slavery, but there are complexities and contradictions in that history that defy reduction to”

Your comet would stop after “ horrors in the history of slavery”.

There is no "but there are complexities and contradictions" in history of Slavery,

it’s like rapist say “ yea I raped her but she deserved it”

 

Isn't it true that some slaves were trained to be skilled craftsmen?

Maybe only a small percentage of the total, but still a large significant segment of them.

Blacksmiths, cartwrights, carpenters, stone masons, ornamental sculpture carvers, even tailors.

This source says that 28% of the slaves at George Washington's estate had skilled jobs.
Slave Labor · George Washington's Mount Vernon

"Most of the skilled slaves were men, who held nearly 75% of these jobs. A significant number of the skilled slaves appear to have been of mixed race, a fact that was frequently noted by visitors to the estate."

 

Today’s southern conservatives are grandchildren of southern religious conservative Democrats of 150 years ago.

 

Rapist say the same thing to victim – “don’t fight , just enjoy bit**".

 

Just because you're not aware of the complexities does not mean they did not exist.
Slavery existed, worldwide, for as long as civilization. The remarkable thing was not its existence, but its abolition.
At Historic Jamestowne, part of the Colonial National Historical Park, a Black Park Service employee portrayed a known figure, a free Black farmer in the 17th century. That person owned slaves.
Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address cannot be improved upon.
". . . If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which in the providence of God must needs come but which having continued through His appointed time He now wills to remove and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him. Fondly do we hope ~ fervently do we pray ~ that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword as was said three thousand years ago so still it must be said 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.' . . . "

 

I'm looking forward to seeing US conservatives lobby to change history textbooks to reflect that Jews recieved some 'personal benefit' from slavery; that Americans recived some 'personal benefit' from Pearl harbour and that some Americans recieved 'personal benefit' from 9/11.

All of those are factually defensible and NONE of them will ever be appearing in US texbooks, because this isn't about history, it is about white conservative identity politics.

White conservatives are the REAL victims of American history and no group can be allowed to challenge that. Ever. That is why white southern conservatives can simultaneously defend the Confederacy and attack Democrats for their party's role in supporting slavery. Its all about the victim narrative, whites only.

 

You mean those conservative democrats? Can't differentiate between party and ideology?

 

The topic is racism. Focus.
And you might do some independent research before you make accusations like this.

 

He must be doing good in the polls.

 

At this point you should expect any and everything from the right.

 

How recently would you like to go?

And you do know it was the democrats in the south who succeeded, right?

 

Again, ideologies are different now. Stop with this bs narrative that dems then are somehow the same ones now. Those dems are today's conservatives.

 

That's like saying that a female slave who was repeatedly raped as a young girl by her white master was able to parlay that training into being a prostitute in a whore house.

A despicable claim by Florida's Board of Education and Desantis and as despicable trying to justify it.

 

The slaves in some situations did not live all that differently from ordinary working class persons.
Of course they were not allowed to move and just go somewhere else. But many people did not move back then.
Situation was even somewhat comparable to coal miners a little bit later in history whose entire lives were run by their company. It wasn't uncommon for people to live their entire lives in one town.

We are of course talking about the more privileged class of slaves, who did not make up the majority.

 

What desantis said is both stupid and obscene.
He keeps digging his own grave with voters.

 

We get it.
You're a DEFENDER of slavery.

 

Oh FFS.

Instead of debating what I said, you make things up to fit your agenda.

AGAIN, we are literally lying about our history because it may make someone look bad. Your side has been screaming about how bad our education system is, so what do you do, you literally make it worse by refusing the truth so you can build a false narrative to make yourselves feel better.

Republicans keep this up and they will become an irrelevant party in this country.

 

Stop being obtuse…..

 

WTF are you on about here….

 

You need to do some research on exactly WHO is revising history. WHO is promoting detrimental beliefs and conduct. WHO has been behind defunding police and giving crime the green light.
WHO goes overboard insisting those who don't agree must be punished and controlled. Historical levels of important social standards and order get destroyed, and the people doing it are not concerned with the consequences of their own behaviors.

Here's one example that we have all just lived through- covid vaccination. These are the people telling us what we must do.

 

Slavery wasn't an American invention, it was imported because it was common all over the world, and important to the large agricultural needs of the time.
However, Americans did not capture slaves, nor import slaves. Slaves were captured by black slave traders in Africa, which has been going on for over 1,000 years.
They were sold to European slave traders, and shipped to the new world. Less than 4% of those slaves came to America.

What is the long-term effect on those people?
The descendants of slaves who came to America could compare their quality of life today, with the descendants of others who escaped slavery at the time. Brothers of slaves for instance, who were not captured and sold, who had descendants who lived out their lives in their homeland. If the origin country was what we know as the nation of Angola for example, this is what those descendants of slaves would have today...

The life expectancy is one the lowest in the world. Infant mortality is 12th highest in the world.
One-third of the citizens are illiterate. While education is compulsory- few have more than a 4th grade education. The literacy rates, however- are declining. School enrollment has declined for 15 years.
About 40% of the population does not have access to clean water.
In rural areas, only 6% have electricity. In urban areas, it's only 34%
Income inequality rates as one of the highest in the world.
Unemployment is 31%
What's known as "Food insecurity", or not knowing if you will have something to eat tomorrow... is very high- as are food prices.
Financial instability is rampant. Loan defaults- over 20%. The major source of income is the government-owned oil industry, which seems to do little for the citizens, but a lot for the rulers.
Angola is of course a nation of total black supremacy. Nobody else to hold responsible.

So one could ask that despite the injustices of slavery- would they prefer to be the descendants of the brother who was not taken as a slave?
This is what Andrew Young saw.

 

Until Democrats start teaching that slavery would NOT have existed in the US without black people enslaving and selling their own people, also teaching that slaves learned valuable skills despite the atrocities, is NOTHING. Slavery is terrible and it was basically everywhere. We all know this. We all don’t admit it But it took white people to stop it. The ONLY places slavery still exist are areas where POC control.

Democrats again show their hypocrisy and ignorance of telling the WHOLE story. It’s just a factual observation. All they want to teach is white people bad. Black people good. US bad. Rest of the world good. It’s so insidious and bigoted. What are they trying to do?? Keep their jobs and keep the race wars going strong. They don’t benefit from a truly “equal” society. They only benefit from USING people to hate each other.

Only a fraction of white people even owned slaves. They don’t want to teach that though. They just teach that ALL white people are guilty and NO black people are ever guilty of ANYTHING.

 

Again , you are trying to sugarcoat the topic. There is no complexity- salivary was bad when it was practiced in Egypt, salivary was bad when it was practiced in Athens, salivary was bad when it was practiced in Rome, Brittan, Europe, Arab nation, China or any other country in the world in any era. Nothing complex about it.

Black man owned saves in Jamestown doesn’t make it complex. It was bad back then and it is bad now. No complexity here.