Despite GOP rhetoric, there have been fewer than two dozen charged cases..

Duh. Thanks for agreeing with me.

Good god.

 

That doesn't mean it's outdated smh.

 

Sure it does. By definition it is. Thanks for playing.

 

Not even close.

If you were to post a link proving any of your claims, I'd happily acknowledge that.

 

Nope because being charged doesn't mean being guilty. Thanks for playing.

 

Not your buddy.

Russia helped Trump win, that's a fact. Whether or not Trump himself knew is something we'll probably never know, but several of his key campaign people certainly did, including Manafort, Kushner, and Junior, and Trump committed at least 8 acts to directly obstruct that investigation, acts that are under intense scrutiny as I write this, now that he's no longer the President.

In all of that time, Dems did not storm the Capitol, or perpetrate a lie about election fraud, or call for Trump's removal until he was actualy impeached.

If you don't see the VAST difference between the two, there's no use debating you on this issue.

 

That's information you failed to share along with the link, then.

And still, this was not voter fraud in the form of casting fraudulent ballots, which is what the Big Lie maintains, and what this thread is about.

 

"You lose." How childlike. This isn't a game to me. You continually make claims disparaging Democrats while providing no proof whatsoever, and dismiss facts presented that are contrary to the rhetoric you've been fed. I gave you a far right wing source and still you dismiss the fact that massive voter fraud does not, and has never, existed in our country. Epic fail. I keep hoping you'll do better, do some research outside of your right wing bubble, but that seems to be my epic failure.

 

Funny how this poster is familiar with someone who lives 40 miles from him.

 

Despite that there have been fewer than two dozen charged cases of voter fraud.......


Jail Time and Big Fines: G.O.P. Seeks Harsh Penalties for Poll Workers

That attitude has seeped into new voting laws and bills put forward by Republican-controlled legislatures across the country. More than two dozen bills in nine states, either still making their way through legislatures or signed into law, have sought to establish a rash of harsh new penalties, elevated criminal classifications and five-figure fines for state and local election officials who are found to have made mistakes, errors, oversteps and other violations of election code, according to a review of voting legislation by The New York Times.

The infractions that could draw more severe punishment run the gamut from seemingly minor lapses in attention or innocent mistakes to more clearly willful actions in defiance of regulations. In Texas, taking any action that “would make observation not reasonably effective” for a poll watcher would carry new penalties. In Florida, failing to have an election worker continuously supervise a drop box would result in major fines. Willfully flouting new laws, like ones in states including Iowa and Texas that ban sending absentee ballots to voters who have not requested them, would also lead to tougher penalties.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/15/us/politics/republican-voting-bills-poll-workers.html

 

“The nit-picking by poll watchers and the penalizing of even the smallest of innocent mistakes is going to, over time, drive our most experienced election workers away,” said Isabel Longoria.

Perfect. Repubs can replace experienced workers with respect for the process with party hacks willing to do what they're told by Repub legislatures who have taken power away from county election officials.

 

If Democrats didn't insist upon having unsecure elections, maybe we could get by with less observers.

 

That wasn't political, it was personal on the part of the Clintons and their private lives, and it was sexist. It was inappropriate for any forum, IMO.

What bad addresses? Enough to sway election results?

I live in a state that went all mail-in 8 years ago, and there have been very few attempts at fraud. Elections run smoothly here. Other states are looking to us and a couple of other all mail-in states as good examples. It's only "red" states that are trying to suppress access to voting because after 2020, they can finally read the writing on the wall that states "mail-in ballots are the best method."

More people than ever voted, and when that happens, Republicans lose. It's why they gerrymander voting districts, it's why they conducted a flawed census, and it's why they are enacting these new laws (boilerplated by the same conservative organization I linked above, the Heritage Foundation). When you can't win on message or merit, cheat.

 

I never compared anything. That was all you buddy. Only thing I did was point out liberal hypocrisy. Which is ripe, and you’re part of the stink, still clinging to the trump collusion myth and hence the 2016 election is invalid myth. How pathetic. Impeaching a sitting president because of politics and zero evidence is a huge huge threat to democracy. Legally challenging election results is not. Hopefully the difference isn’t lost on you. Except that it most assuredly is.

And I’m sorry, it’s really really hard to take you seriously when you talk about legality over the sound of you voting for felony-guilty Hillary Clinton. Your party is crime ridden from literally the top down, all the way from your black thugs burning up cities to your support for border anarchy to support for disbanding police, to voting for mr. enrich my family by selling American foreign policy overseas-Biden to “I didn’t know I was committing a felony” Clinton.

Why don’t you and your worthless party of hypocrites go shoot up another baseball field full of Republicans. Maybe you’ll get kudos points and a slap on the back from your friends Hamas

 

So you didn’t know the entire Democratic Party didn’t believe in the results of the election because of Russian collusion.

Russian interference by the way that you don’t know the scope of. 1 vote? A million? Did it affect outcome? you have no idea

you also don’t know trumps involvement. He tried to obstruct? Bummer for you “trying” isn’t good enough. End of the day, there was no obstruction to the multiple investigations that happened.

My, there sure are a lot of things you don’t know but don’t let any of them slow down your opinions mmkay?

The capitol storming perpetrators are being hunted down and prosecuted as they should be.

hell of a lot more I can say about the people in your party. ohhh that’s right, those are “good” rioters. Like Hamas are “good” terrorists. Like Hillary is a “good” felon. Gotta love the party of anarchy talk about these issues.

go plan your next trip to a football field full of Republicans

 

In the recent Arizona Election Audit Dominion Voting Machines has been doing everything they can to hamper the audit. This includes refusing to comply with the subpoena to provide a password to their machines. The Mariposa County used Pro V&V to audit the elections. But Pro V&V had a working relationship with Dominion Voting Machines. It became obvious that they would not provide an accurate audit, so the State Senate hired Cyber Ninja out of Florida to conduct their own audit. Dominion has refused to provide Cyber Ninja with a password to audit their system. Another audit is taking place in Windham, New Hampshire. There they found serious discrepancies between the votes cast for GOP candidates and the overall results. Strangely enough this did not happen for DNC candidates. It would seem to me that there is a problem with the voting machines, and that Dominion Voting Machines knows it. That is why they do not want anyone auditing them.

 

Fair enough. The post was a reply to another forum member that falsely attributed Hillary's quotes to our previous president while at the Golf course. I corrected him. I see Hillary and Trump as 2 sides of the same ugly coin. I don't understand how people can be offended by random people on the internet.

“The only real conflict you will ever have in your life won’t be with others, but with yourself.”
― Shannon L. Alder

 

It wasn't disbelief in the election, it was questionable campaign tactics to which anyone would reasonbly object. Knowledge and belief are not the same thing.

You claim that I don't know the scope of Russian interference in 2016, but it's you who seems very uninformed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

If that's too much reading for you, try this:

https://time.com/5565991/russia-influence-2016-election/

Even a GOP-dominate Senate agreed:

https://apnews.com/article/d094918c0421b872eac7dc4b16e613c7

I never claimed that Trump had personal knowledge or involvement, but hos top campaign people certainly did, as I said previously.

As for obstructing investigations, I refer you to Volume II of the Mueller Report.

As for your rancorous dismissal of me, personally: As anyone on this forum can clearly see, you are the one who needs to do his homework before picking someone to debate. You are very uninformed on this issue. Do some reading before replying with more of your snarky personal attacks, please.