Do you agree with race realism?

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Do you agree with race realism?

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  1. Conservative Democrat

    Conservative Democrat Well-Known Member

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    Democracy works well in Taiwan. With an average IQ of 105, I am confident democracy will work well on the mainland of China.
     
  2. Daniel Light

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    So then it would follow that any white person who has a lower IQ than Condi Rice, is a genetic failure.

    It was also follows that any person who commits a crime is genetically predisposed to commit crime and can’t be held accountable for such.

    So I’m going to call BS on this thread and just say it’s another lame attempt to rationalize bigotry and racism.
     
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  3. Adfundum

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    Didn't Jensen claim that genetics did not play a role in the IQ differences between Whites and Blacks? I believe he said there was no scientific evidence. Is he now being used to support this "Race Realism" idea?

    His conclusions, like others that used IQ test results to suggest racial differences, were considered racial in nature. In fact, they were used by many to promote racist agendas (still are). The reaction to his work on the academic level may have been over the top, but the suggestion that intelligence is determined by race was a fallacy that needed attention.
     
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    I believe that genes are the single most important factor in determining ability levels, character, and behavior. I am confident that as more is discovered about genetics, my beliefs will be confirmed. Therefore I advocate more genetics research. I do not care if anyone thinks I am trying to rationalize bigotry and racism. For too long the fear of being called a racist has interfered with the dialogue on race Bill Clinton has advocated, and which we need to have. It needs to be an honest dialogue, without the constraints imposed by political correctness.

    Those who try to suppress the genetic study of genes for intelligence, crime, and sexual behavior fear the truth, and the political implications of the truth being widely known.
     
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    Generalizations always fall apart when applied to individuals. What you are advocating is a way to make generalizations the rule for use in racial profiling, insurance and hiring practices, and leaves out the millions of exceptions to your predisposed grouping for rationalizing bigotry and racism. It’s the very root of the Nazi movement.
     
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    Can you support how those skeletal differences relate to higher intelligence? It is simply size? Does gray matter have any effect? Is this science absolute, or are we still learning?
     
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    the black population in this country is in a sense burdened by the large number of persons who are at a level of g that is no longer very relevant to a highly industrialized, technological society. Once you get below IQs of 80 or 75, which is the cut-off for mental retardation in the California School System, children are put into special classes. These persons are not really educable up to a level for which there’s any economic demand. The question is, what do you do about them? They have higher birth-rates than the other end of the distribution.

    People are shocked and disbelieving when you tell them that about one in four blacks in our population are in that category — below 75.

    - Arthur Jensen, from "A Conversation with Arthur Jensen," American Renaissance, August and September 1992
    https://www.amren.com/news/2012/10/arthur-jensen-has-died/
     
  8. Conservative Democrat

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    Orientals tend to have larger cranial capacities than whites, who tend to have larger cranial capacities than Negroes.

    Brain size correlates with IQ.
     
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  9. Conservative Democrat

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    Intelligence is not determined by race. Intelligence correlates with race.
     
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    Whenever possible, evaluations should be on personal characteristics. I do not believe that blacks should be discriminated against in university admissions and hiring. I do not believe they should be discriminated in favor of with affirmative action policies.

    Because young black men have much higher crime rates than other demographics, even young men of other races, I am in favor of racial profiling.
     
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    Comparing race realism to Nazism is an example of the Guilt by Association Fallacy:

    "A guilt by association fallacy occurs when someone connects an opponent to a demonized group of people or to a bad person in order to discredit his or her argument. The idea is that the person is “guilty” by simply being similar to this “bad” group and, therefore, should not be listened to about anything."
    https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-...ciation fallacy,be listened to about anything.

    One should evaluate an argument on its merits, regardless of who else thinks that way.

    Comparing race realism to Nazism also illustrates Godwin's Law:

    "Godwin’s law is the proposition that the longer an internet argument goes on, the higher the probability becomes that something or someone will be compared to Adolf Hitler."
    https://www.dictionary.com/e/memes/godwins-law/
     
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    Sorry, but genetics only determines traits of humans not social interactions.
     
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    Keep it racy!
     
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    Scientifically speaking, there are no races, just racists.
     
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    Name calling is the lowest form of discourse.
     
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    Genetics influences personality characteristics, which in turn influence social interactions.
     
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    You're presenting "race" as a relevant personal characteristic though. You can't have it both ways.

    Yet if you promote the idea that black people are fundamentally less intelligent and more violent you will implicitly encourage exactly that discrimination.

    Maybe generations of racial profiling plays a major role in young black men turning to crime in the first place? If you constantly tell young black people that they're genetically weaker and so destined to fail whatever they do, all you'll achieve is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
     
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    And if it is simply size then whales must already be communicating telepathically with every species in the Universe, since they have brains the size of Volkswagens. (And that includes the pan-dimensional beings that are really in charge, the mice.)

    And racial prejudice is one of the lowest forms of thought. You define how certain people are and then seek out instances where they agree with your preconceptions as "proof" of the preconception itself.

    Tell me, when are you going to apply to be a butler or gardener for some Asian family? That's really the best you can hope for since they're known to train the help well.
     
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    A resounding no. Human races aren't anything like sub species. Normally a sub-species is a species on the verge of speciating (forming a new species.) No such speciation is evident in humans.

    Any differences in intelligence, if they actually exist are so small as to be meaningless. Obedience and monogamy are behaviors, not biological differences.

    Biologically we are all the same. We look different from one another but so do zebras. However, we are all the same species - exactly the same species. The term race appears nowhere in animal taxonomy.
     
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    its bigoted, ignorant, hateful bullshit.
     
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    When you look at average IQs across the racial spectrum there is an undeniable correlation between cranial capacity and overall intelligence.
     
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    And rationalizing bigotry and racism is still bigotry and racism.
     
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    Racism is also the root of the American nation.
     
  24. Conservative Democrat

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    In the straw man argument fallacy one distorts his opponent's argument in order to make it easy to refute. I made it clear that I think people should be selected by universities and employers on the basis of qualities important to the university or employer. These include intelligence, and previous performance. They do not include race. I do not want blacks to be discriminated against because of race. I do not want them to be discriminated in favor of because of race. That is why I am opposed to affirmative action policies.

    I have never said "that black people are fundamentally less intelligent and more violent," That would mean that I believe that all black people are less intelligent than whites, and more violent than whites. I have never said that. I do believe on the basis of all the relevant evidence that blacks tend to be less intelligent than whites, and more likely to be criminal.

    If people told me that I was inferior I would work harder to prove that I was not.
     
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    The worst mistake settlers in the Americas and their descendants made was the slave trade. Southern whites should have grown their own cotton and tobacco.
     

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