How much of Palestine should the Arabs get back? - <MOD WARNING>

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How much of Palestine should the Arabs get back?

  1. Gaza & the West Bank up to the Seperation Barrier

    8 vote(s)
    19.5%
  2. Back to the 1967 borders.

    23 vote(s)
    56.1%
  3. Back to UN Resolution 181 borders.

    5 vote(s)
    12.2%
  4. The whole thing.

    5 vote(s)
    12.2%
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  1. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So no quotes just your say so, perhaps its because you are making it all up, where as people can read your words and decide who the racist is!

    That is all you need to be an antisemite make posts on Israel!
     
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    its quite clear. You hate Israel. those who hate Israel are antisemites.

    You also think its acceptable for Muslims to attack white British people on the streets of the UK if they have views they don't like. You said it yourself.
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    not neccessarily
     
  4. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An antisemite is someone who hates Jews not Israel.
    Please provide the quote, yet again you are falsifying or imagining.

    Again people can read your words in previous posts and the quotes I have highlighted to judge who is a racist, why not provide the quotes where I do what you accuse me of. You cant because you have made it up!
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    one can disagree with the creation of Israel and respect Jews, their religion, their culture.
     
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    Ah...but you took the money from those ( Rich middle class ) kids didn't you......

    I notice your operative word is ( Had )....Why did you close down, some rich middle class kids parents sue the pants off of you for condoning violence in/around your establishment ?



     
  7. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Retired and enjoying it,

    Wish some rich middle class (*)(*)(*)(*) had taken me to court, unlike you, British courts know the difference between condoning and understanding!
     
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    if you are against Jews having their own state when everyone else can then its clear you are an anti semite.

    You clearly condone violence against people who have a different opinion.
     
  9. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most Jews do not live in what you call "their own state" they live like most other folk in the countries they were born in surrounded by family and friends and happy there.
    I note you choose not to live in the Jewish State.
    I have no objection to there being a Jewish State anymore than I have to the other great wanderers the Gypsies for instance having a state, what I do object to is a Jewish State that tramples all over the Balfour agreement and just about any other international law denying the rights of the Palestinians.

    I do not condone violence but I can understand when people call others Filth, Scum, Paki's (as you have in this thread), that your actions will provoke a violent response in those you persecute. If you continue to support neo nazi groups and wish to expel Muslims and "paki's" from Europe then you may well get violent repercussions, indeed if you utter those words in the UK you will get arrested.

    Now I consider that with your lack of understanding of what an antisemite is it would be better if you worried about the subject of the thread, ie how much of the land stolen by Israeli Zionist Jews should be returned to its rightful owners, the Palestinians.

    So why not stop with the accusations of antisemitism they have nothing to do with this subject!
     
  10. Sab

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  11. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't speak for Jews, I speak about Jews, just like I speak about Palestinians or Muslims. But only you take offense.
    If you call people scum then expect retaliation, try not to call people scum, then you will not have to worry about violence.
    Since you are trying to stir up race hatred with your filth, scum and Paki rubbish in the UK, perhaps it would be better to go to your other country. In general we are very tolerant here and do not like fifth columnists stirring things up.



    I never said it was, you are making things up again. Palestinians had peace then Europeans invaded


    Im not backpeddling from someone like you at all, if you behave in a way likely to provoke violence expect violence was all I said, if you can't back it up that's your problem not mine. As for your tattoo I have no idea why you think I know that, did you dream it or are you just making it up for effect?
    Antisemitism is a word defined in a dictionary, the person who first used it hated Jews. Try learning some of your own history.

    This use of Semitismus was followed by a coining of "Antisemitismus" which was used to indicate opposition to the Jews as a people[citation needed] and opposition to the Jewish spirit, which Marr interpreted as infiltrating German culture. His next pamphlet, Der Weg zum Siege des Germanenthums über das Judenthum (The Way to Victory of the Germanic Spirit over the Jewish Spirit, 1880), presents a development of Marr's ideas further and may present the first published use of the German word Antisemitismus, "antisemitism".

    The pamphlet became very popular, and in the same year he founded the Antisemiten-Liga (League of Antisemites),[19] apparently named to follow the "Anti-Kanzler-Liga" (Anti-Chancellor League).[20] The league was the first German organization committed specifically to combating the alleged threat to Germany and German culture posed by the Jews and their influence, and advocating their forced removal from the country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
    I dont hate Jews but it rather looks as though thouse that do, get to choose not you!


    Again you are falsifying or completely making up your allegations, you are the one that calls others Paki's, scum, filth and want all Muslims expelled from Europe.
     
  12. MVictorP

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    "No No No !!!"

    You know it ain't - I posted you some links about it. At the time you didn't even contest them, except to say that Israel didn't helped ISIL leaders.

    It makes plenty of sense: Israel hates the Syrian regime, and is looking to de-stabilize it, taking profit of ISIL's distraction to seize Golan. Israel favors ISIL over the Syrian governance, just like it favored Hamas to fight PLO. That's what Israel do - they have mice problems, they introduce cats: They then get a cat problems, so they introduce dogs, then gorillas. What, you thought it was a honest, virtuous country? My poor young friend. It is the most devious country to exist today.

    Hizbollah fights abusers like ISIL - and Israel.

    Petty. You just couldn't help but introduce "races", do you? I don't see the difference. Tell me what the difference is.
     
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    Palestinians chose Hamas over the other parties because they were less corrupt, and really gave aid to the Palestinian people - odd for you, I am sure, as your type generally believe that Palestinians were put on the Earth by the Great Satan to test virtuous Israelis, but Palestinians have day-to-day worries and cares that doesn't invove Israel.

    These "corrupt and dictators" are propped up and paid by the US and the occident in general. Many arabs have to chose between either corrupt dictators-puppets or Islamists, the only "opposition" that can exists to these monarchies, where political opposition doesn't exist.

    No matter what Palestinians chose, it will always be an illusion. Beggars can't be chosers. Even if they chose a Palestinian Ghandi, Israel would be quick to either accuse him of being an antisemite terrorist, or to put a bullet in his head.
     
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    These "Syrians" are ISIL insurgents. It's all over the web. Stop sticking your neck in the sand, DrewBedson.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rian-warzone-risking-lives-sworn-enemies.html
    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Re...da-fighters-wounded-in-Syria-civil-war-393862
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bc_1448229854
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/sea...ons+On+The+Israel-syria+Border+For+Mailonline
     
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    MVictorP Well-Known Member

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    Just by resisting a nuclear power with little or no support from the rest of the world for more than four generations, Palestinians have earned their homeland.
     
  16. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and that was your claim, which is a lie

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    i never mentioned races.

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    the Jews took on the collective armies and will of the Arab world, and won.

    3 times.

    by your logic, they have earned their homeland
     
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    Insignificant bullsht rethorics.

    "No No No !!!"

    Yeah you did - you brought up Jews as martyrs, apes and pigs. I was talking about human beings. If you wait to learn what "races" are in a conflict before making a judgement, then you are a de facto racist.

    By whose logic?

    Successfully raping a woman, even 3 times, does not make her the rapist's own.
     
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    Bullshot. I never address anyone in person at all. Your beloved pakis are abusive to me merely because they saw my tattoo which has 'never again' in hebrew on a star of david. commemorating the liberation of Auchwitz. But that is apparently acceptable to you.


    utter nonsense. The area concerned was run by Turkey and jews immigrated under the law of Turkey until 1921 then under the Leaugue of Nations mandate. You speak as if a country called Palestine was invaded by European powers and colonised by them..which is nonsense


    Being openly Jewish is obviously 'provoking violence
    Rubbish. It was coinied by Moritz Steinshneider and used about someone who hated jews. and he used it in 1860..well before your example.
     
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    I'm not saying they don't deserve a homeland, I'm underlining that the extension of that homeland is still all to be determined on the base of what Palestinians will able to achieve.
     
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    That and by, you know, international laws.

    And if one intends to mean that only fighting is making one worthy of a homeland, let us be reminded that it was the Arabs that fought the Turks along with the British in WWI, not the Jews.
     
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    Well, turns out Moritz Steinshneider was wrong.

    By defining it as hatred of the Jews, he was assuming that Jews represented the entirety of semite people.

    Besides, if you google the word "semite", the definition you'll have will be that of a language group. You can't make this definition exist along that of "antisemitism".

    Furthermore, it's complicated by the "semitic" degree of many Jews: Converted, white Khazars can hardly be considered as "semitic". But there's more: "Jew" can refer to either a cultural group and/or a religion, muddying the matter even further.

    And there's worse: There is a obhvious will, among zionists, to appropriate the name (like they appropriated Nazi Germany's massacres) to describe their antithesis anti-zionist, trying to make a stink of racism stick to them. This is ridiculous, considering that Palestinians are probably more semitic than the Ukrainians who invaded their homeland.
     
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    In fact Arabs were thinking to have Palestine as a province of one of their regional powers. The idea of an independent Palestine came out just as anti-Israel countermeasure [I like to say that Palestine exists thanks to the existence of the Jewish state].
     
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    Usual antisemtic racism from our resident jew haters
     
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    He/she/it calls me an "antisemite" in response to a post where I contested the very same word. Eh.

    :roll:

    What makes jew-hating any worse than arab-hating, anyway?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no, your anti-Semitism is just as bad as someone else's hatred of Muslims and Arabs.
     
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