NRA saved lives in Texas

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Robert, Nov 6, 2017.

  1. CourtJester

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    The will of the " people" supports stronger gun control laws. And if we are going to govern based on public opinion the Trump tax giveaway to the rich will not happen.
     
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    Where is the evidence that those who legally own firearms are the ones responsible for the greatest loss of life, rather than those who cannot legally possess firearms under any circumstances? The FBI has reported that eighty percent of all firearm-related murders are committed by known criminal individuals.
     
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    Then why did "the people" who support such not actually speak up? Why did they make no effort to have their voices heard, and instead let the NRA speak for them? Why does the majority remain silent, rather than making any effort to be heard over the NRA? The NRA has approximately five million members, where are the other three hundred and fifteen million individuals in this equation, and why are they maintaining their silence?
     
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    Taxing people less is a bad thing?
     
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    Taxing the rich less and the upper middle class more is a really bad idea and that is what the current tax plan does. And yes taxing less and spending more and ballooning the deficit is a really bad idea which is what the current will Republican plan will do even with dynamic scoring.
     
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    The people do speak up. It is the politicians who are silent.
     
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    No i didn't say a rifle, I said an assault style weapon. And it has no actual function as a tool. There is nothing a civilisn does that requires that level of firepower.
     
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    As opposed to fake news??
     
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    Well it appears he was also in a mental institution and somehow that didn't register either.
     
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    You must not have attended any 3 gun matches or gone varmint hunting. You really don't seem like a competent enough authority to determine what guns are required by civilians.
     
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    Ah, so cosmetics are dangerous.
     
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    Since anyone who has their liberty in this country has pretty much unlimited access to guns, it was not lax gun laws that got them killed. It was the failure of our revolving-door criminal justice system to incarcerate the known-violent criminal perpetrator that got them killed. The only way to prevent anyone from gaining access to a firearm in this country is to incarcerate them before they do.

    I saw a police report this morning from one of his many prior violent run-ins with the law that said he was a danger to himself and others. Whoever looked at that report and told this guy "you're free to go" has those people's blood on their hands.
     
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    Just in case any Progs want to take a walk on the wild side or people needing a resource to get active in your community here is a list :

    Gun Rights Resources
    Open Carry.org
    Handgun Law.us


    USA
    Gun Owners of America (GOA)
    Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
    National Association for Gun Rights
    Second Amendment Sisters
    National Rifle Association (NRA) (some disagreement within liberty movement - do your own research)
    Second Amendment Foundation
    The National Skeet Shooting Association and National Sporting Clays Association
    Amateur Trapshooting Association
    Pink Pistols
    Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
    Women Against Gun Control
    Pacific International Trapshooting Association
    Zone 7 Skeet
    Firearms Policy Coalition
    Fifty Caliber Shooters Association


    Alabama
    Alabama Gun Rights
    Alabama Open Carry

    Alaska
    Alaska Outdoor Council
    Alaska Machine Gun Association
    Alaska Gun Collectors Assocication
    Alaska Interior Marksmanship Committee
    Alaska Rifle Club

    Arizona
    Arizona Citizens Defense League

    Arkansas
    Arkansas Carry

    California
    Gun Owners of California
    Calguns Foundation

    Colorado
    Rocky Mountain Gun Owners

    Connecticut
    Connecticut Gun Rights
    Coalition of Connecticut Sportsmen
    Connecticut State Rifle & Revolver Association, Inc.
    Connecticut Citizens Defense League
    Northeast Combat Pistol League
    Northwest Connecticut Sportsman's Council
    Ye Connecticut Gun Guild, Inc


    Delaware
    First State Firearms Freedom Association
    Delaware State Sportsmen's Association

    District of Columbia
    LOL!

    Florida
    Florida Carry, Inc.
    Second Amendment Coalition of Florida

    Georgia
    Georgia Carry
    Georgia Sport Shooting Association

    Hawaii
    Hawaii Rifle Association

    Idaho
    Lewis-Clark Wildlife Club
    Idaho State Rifle and Pistol Association

    Illinois
    IllinoisCarry
    Guns Save Life
    Illinois State Rifle Associations


    Indiana
    2nd Amendment Patriots
    Guns Save Life

    Iowa
    Iowa Gun Owners
    Iowa Firearms Coalition

    Kansas

    Kentucky
    Kentucky Coalition to Carry Concealed

    Louisiana
    Second Amendment Sisters - Louisiana
    Louisiana Shooting Association
    Louisiana Sportsman
    USPSA Louisiana Section
    Bayou Shooter

    Maine
    Gun Owners of Maine
    Maine Gun Owners Association

    Maryland
    Maryland Shall Issue
    Maryland Citizens for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
    Maryland Shooters

    Massachusetts
    Gun Owners' Action League
    Lawful And Responsible Gun Owners


    Michigan
    Michigan Gun Owners
    Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners (MCRGO)
    Michigan Rifle & Pistol Association
    Michigan Open Carry

    Minnesota
    Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance

    Mississippi

    Missouri
    Western Missouri Shooters Alliance
    Gateway Civil Liberties Alliance
    Second Amendment Coalition of Missouri

    Montana
    Montana Shooting Sports Association

    Nebraska
    Nebraska Firearms Owners Association

    Nevada

    New Hampshire
    New Hampshire Firearms Coalition
    Gun Onwers of New Hmpshire
    Pro-Gun New Hampshire


    New Jersey
    New Jersey 2nd Amendment Society
    New Jersey Coalition for Self Defense

    New Mexico
    New Mexico Shooting Sports Association

    New York
    New York State Rifle and Pistol Association (NYSRPA)
    Shooters Committee on Political Education
    Sportsmen's Association for Firearms Education

    North Carolina
    Grass Roots North Carolina
    North Carolina Rifle and Pistol Association

    North Dakota

    Ohio
    Ohioans for Concealed Carry
    Buckeye Firearms Association


    Oklahoma
    Oklahoma Open Carry Association (OKOCA)

    Oregon
    Oregon Firearms Federation
    Oregon Gun Owners
    Oregon State Shooting Association

    Pennsylvania
    Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association

    Rhode Island

    South Carolina
    GrassRoots South Carolina
    Gun Owners of South Carolina

    South Dakota
    South Dakota Gun Owners

    Tennessee
    Tennessee Firearms Association

    Texas
    Lone Star Citizens Defense League
    Peaceable Texans for Firearms Rights
    Texas State Rifle Association

    Utah
    Gun Owners of Utah
    Utah Shooting Sports Council

    Vermont
    Gun Owners of Vermont

    Virginia
    Virginia Citizens Defense League
    Virginia Gun Owners Coalition

    Washington
    Washington Arms Collectors

    West Virginia
    West Virginia Citizens Defense League

    Wisconsin
    Wisconsin Carry, Inc
    Wisconsin Firearm Owners, Ranges, Clubs & Educators

    Wyoming
    Wyoming Gun Owners
     
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    Unsupported nonsense. Guns work. Surely you have noticed.
     
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    Which means?
     
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    I don't believe anyone in the church was carrying; in a state where they have open carry you'd think that people inside the church were carrying. Guns may work, but if you don't carry them, what good are they? A table weight maybe?
     
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    That is a statement of someone who knows nothing about the subject upon which he expounds.

    Tactical carbines are tremendously efficient and effective defensive tools. It's why there is one in a position where my wife can access it in a crisis situation. It's smaller and lighter than a shotgun, has less felt recoil, has a stock that can be adjusted to fit her smaller stature, and is equipped with a coaxial light and an appropriate optic. Loaded with proper self-defense ammo, a 5.56 carbine is less likely to penetrate the exterior walls of a structure than even a handgun round. My wife is a skilled rifle operator at any conventional distance, and is far more confident in running a carbine under stress than a handgun or shotgun. We are seeing carbines being used more and more often by honest citizens for defensive purposes (most recently and obviously by Johnny Langendorff, whose intervention with his own carbine stopped the slaughter in Sutherland Springs), so to claim they have "no actual function as a tool" is a claim of sheer ignorance.
     
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    Or dishonesty.
     
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    When about half of our citizens are carrying gun crime will no longer be a serious problem.
    We will get there soon if not soon enough.
     
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    Nothing in particular... other than he had attended that church and threatened his former mother in law who attended the church.

    By all accounts the shooter was a dangerous, violent man with severe mental health issues. I think we should get rid of bump stocks, semi automatic weapons, large magazines and tighten up the reporting for those with mental health and domestic abuse issues.
     
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    So, confiscate about 200 million firearms from law abiding citizens? What's the plan to confiscate them from the criminals who have them now? If there are no semi-automatic weapons, why would you care about magazines for bolt action rifles?
     
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    Exactly, and they were built that way to help soldiers kill people, and it's why they are so often chosen by nut jobs to kill lots of people, like in a Colorado movie theater, in Las Vegas, in Orlando, and just a few days ago in Texas. Enough is enough, they don't belong in our civilian armory.

    Of course in you like reading about children being killed in a church, keep pretending that we should still allow them to be sold.
     
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    There's no rational basis for this, much less a compelling, reasoned argument.
    There's plenty of fallacious appeals to emotion to this effect, but they do no qualify as above.
     
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    Military rifles could be designed to kill, but they are not. In fact they are designed to wound.
     
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    Your unsupportable opinion does not negate the fact these firearms are "bearable arms" and as such, are protected by the constitution.
     
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