Oh... how Republican candidates looove Obamacare!

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  1. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama pushed for single payer but was shot down by whore politicians who sold out for the money. Republicans do the same thing. It isn’t about anything but the money.
     
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    wrong of course. If the people wanted capitalist health care at 20% of the current price we'd have it, but liberals oppose it so we have a socialist system at 5 times the market price.
     
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    no he was shot down by voters who are not yet ready for single payer communism. Got it now?
     
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    Joe Lieberman was the single vote that prevented govt. run healthcare when he opposed the public option., the ACA needed his vote to pass and he acquiesced only if the public option was removed.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can you explain this Capitalist Healthcare System?
     
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    people shopping with their own money, published prices, providers competing on basis of price and quality. Makes sense?
     
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    yep he's no communist like Sanders and his best bud Cornell commie West.
     
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    We did that for decades. Older people had little money and poor health. They suffered and died prematurely by the millions cause NO ONE wants to insure them. . Is that your brand of capitalism ? How about some one with stage one diabetes ?
     
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    Do you like your medicare ?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    "We must protect America's healtchare system"

    Guess what America's healthcare system IS.
     
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    Communist ? I thought he was a socialist ? But Putin is a capitalist according to you. Me thinks you need a course in civics.
     
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    As long as both parties allow pharmaceutical and HMO companies to hold monopolies and charge Americans 3-10 times the market price for drugs and other services by using government agencies like FDA, AMA and other regulatory agencies to prevent alternative treatments and drugs from being utilized, we are screwed. Unfortunately those entities own both houses of congress on both sides of the aisle.
     
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    It seems republicans who say they believe in the free enterprise system managed to pass a bill under Bush preventing the Govt. from practicing the free enterprise system. ( negotiating drug prices) The idea that that the GOP wants to help the middle class is absurd.
     
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    GOP is totally controlled by corporate interests. Democrats are a close second.
     
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    :roflol:

    You are confusing healthcare with health INSURANCE!

    Capitalist healthcare is what provides the BENEFITS like better treatments.

    Capitalist health INSURANCE is what makes US healthcare the MOST EXPENSIVE and LEAST COST EFFECTIVE in the world.

    Eliminate the capitalist health INSURANCE and you will REDUCE healthcare costs by 15-20% via Single Payer and still have the benefit of capitalist healthcare.

    If you want to go even further then ELIMINATE the Big Pharma Patent Scams and allow Generic drugs which will probably reduce costs by another 30-40% across the board.

    No corporation should be allowed to put PROFITS ahead of the HEALTH and/or LIVES of PEOPLE.
     
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    you are perfectly and 100% mistaken. Democrats made capitalist health care illegal in 1946 with McCurran Ferguson. Now you finally know why capitalist competition does not drives prices down to the lowest levels possible. You have learned this 22 times. I hope we don't have to go for 23. Thanks
     
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    thats why we want capitalism. if you put profits ahead of serving your customers a competitor will drive you into bankruptcy. Now you understand why capitalism gives us such great services and products. Under socialism there is no such incentive and 120 million slowly starved to death. Do you understand?
     
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    corporate interest is in pleasing customers and workers with best products and jobs in entire world in order to survive. This is exactly what humanity requires most of all. Socialism has no such incentives and thus 120 million starved to death
     
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    GOP just introduced bill to force drug companies to price our drugs no higher than anywhere in world. This lowers prices for us but may inhibit them from developing drug that will will cure the cancer 50% of us will die from. Do you understand?
     
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    Capitalism is best for all classes. Ever hear of East/West Germany and 132 other examples. Trump got elected by Democrats after Democrat politicians shipped their jobs to China for 30 years, and after they invited in 33 million illegals to take the remaining jobs. Do you understand?
     
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    trump just changed all that after Obama slept for 8 years!!
     
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    Sanders says he is a socialist but don't forget socialism is according to Marx a stepping stone to communism. Why stop at socialism? Do you get it?
     
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    Russia and China are far more capitalist now than they were when socialism was slowly starving 120 million to death. Do you understand? Do you understand why our liberals want socialism despite 120 million dead?
     
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    a super socialist mess with the highest prices in the world whereas capitalism would product the lowest prices in the world thanks to competition. Do you understand?
     
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    it's single payer communism so whats to like? If people got free cars after 65 many of slower, liberal, welfare oriented folks would say they liked it but that does not mean it's good for the commonweal. Do you understand that communism impoverishes it does not enrich? Think of Cuba/ Florida.
     
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