Oh... how Republican candidates looove Obamacare!

so you want to switch to Republican capitalism??? Good for you. You know your history and thus know that West Germany did far better than East Germany!!

 

you miss the point completely. If govt gave money to folks and let them shop for health care and keep what they didn't spend prices would fall 80%
This is far closer to capitalism and thus far better. Do you understand?

 

the people have made it quite clear they do not want republicans to end the pre-existing conditions protections, they have no choice but to back off

 

Republicans got themselves in trouble by removing the individual mandate, which they wanted, was their idea

this paid for the pre-existing conditions protections, now people want their pre-existing conditions protections without a individual mandate

 

it costs so much cause of government food recommendations like the food pyramid

this should of been recommendations based on science, not politics which then becomes about $$$, like corn revenues, ect....

the primary goal of government was to make food cheap and stable, not to make it healthy

the health implications can be seen in America and any country that adopts our way of eating

 

Trump killed the individual mandate- the only part of Ocare that anyone had a serious problem with.

Now that it doesnt have any teeth, those that hated it just dont care, and those that liked it now love it.

 

only thing was, Obama never wanted the individual mandate, that was a Conservative thing, Obama wanted a public option

http://swampland.time.com/2010/02/16/health-care-republicans-oppose-their-own-idea/

"In fact, says Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea. “It was invented by Mark Pauly to give to George Bush Sr. back in the day, as a competition to the employer mandate focus of the Democrats at the time.”"

Republicans also tried to push the individual mandate under Clinton...

 

Right.

You have to go to 1946 legislation to find an excuse for Republican legislative failure today!!!

That's pretty darn hilarious!

 

It's worse than that.

Insurance companies absolutely have to raise rates to take care of those who jump in only after contracting expensive diseases.

That's the reason insurance companies required that there be a mandate in the first place.

 

The topic here is healthcare.

The capitalist profit motive is not aligned with what we need in healthcare.

Healthcare is not like entertainment or transportation.

Do you understand?

 

This thread is about healthcare.

Healthcare insurance corporations are motivated to maximize profit, NOT to provide health care.

As every other industrialized country proves, single payer coverage ensures broad distribution of healthcare - an important dimension where we lose to every one of these countries.

Single payer healthcare is not going to cause anyone to starve to death, so maybe you should move away from that kind of nonsense. It is the corporate profit based system that leads to high rates of individual bankruptcy.

 

The Republicans only do stuff like this when forced to. They should have done it years ago. The polls show Democratic conversation around healthcare is taking its toll. Suddenly, Republicans luv the ACA and lowering drug costs. Next, they’ll say they’re socialists and support Medicare for all. Like Trump, they say anything, do anything to get elected. Their repulsive tax plan gave them away.

 

Do you like your Medicare ? I’ve ask three times and you seem to be avoiding the question.

 

seriously, this Trump?

 

Guess what, without the mandate, for profit insurance slowly becomes unaffordable. You do need a few healthy people who pay in.....
This is what we’re going through now. Slowly, we’ll figure out that single payer is cheapest and most effective.

 

Cigarette sales represent large tax dollars. That's why they are still legal and sold so widely.

 

Capitalism is best for all classes ? Really, that’s not what you’re saying.
“Do you understand” that free unfettered by the state capitalism allows companies to ship jobs over seas and allows them to seek the least expensive labor. If you’re complaining about obama allowing too much of this , then he’s the capitalist and Trumps tariffs are protectionism and not capitalism.

Do you understand ? Trump is the state, and he’s imposing tariffs and interfering with capitalism.
Capitalism-economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

 

they relive stress, the longest person to have lived was a smoker, more die of sugar related diseases, why not the same hatred of sugar, heck we feed it to our kids

then of course we have the seed oils the government pushes on us

I say let people choose for themselves, good or bad, taxing cigarettes or a candy bar over 100% is wrong

I choose to avoid both, but fear neither in small amounts

 

I undeerstand youi, as all Republicans, are clueless about our healthcare system. No! The capitalist healthcare system that we had before Obamacare was not, by any stretch of the imagination, the lowest prices in the world. They were much higher than with Obamacare.

In any case, Obamacare is not the solution definite solution. It's a step forward from the system that you would love to take us back to. But the only real solution is a single-payer system that does away with Corporate Insurance profits.

 

You were asked for a redeeming feature. That's not a redeeming feature.

 

Well that would entirely depend upon where you're coming from. Clearly, from a health perspective, there is no redeeming feature. But from a financial one, there is. And when it comes down to a fight between the health of people versus the almighty dollar - I think you know who wins!

 

1) single payer communism is the solution?? In all industries?? Even after communism killed 120 million??

 

actually you get good cars and good health care by offering a profit incentive. Take that away and you are back in the Stone Age like Cuba. Do you understand this now?

 

So now we need a libNazi govt to tell us not to smoke, and not to do a million things since we are not suited for freedom? Wonder why our Founders forgot to put that into Constitution?

 

Health care providers and drug corporations are still capitalist - setting price points and business strategies to maximize profit in a marketplace where "customers" really have no other options.

And, the insurance industry is also fully capitalist with regulation to somewhat reduce the worst of capitalist behavior.