Pfizer vaccine is junk nor tested for safety otherwise

She's still alive.

Critical care nurse at CHI Memorial explains her fainting after COVID-19 vaccine

 

I don't know that anyone is failing to tell the truth concerning the status of these vaccines.

Both vaccines got emergeny use authorization. Full testing procedures were not completed. EVERYBODy knows that don't they?

I'd point out that early testing would focus on effectiveness. It would have been normal for early tests to include subjecdts selected to get the best information on effectiveness. That would exclude subjects that have allergies or other conditions that would complicate analysis of effectiveness.

That's not all the testing that has been done, but there IS a reason for the testing requirements that medical science requires. And, the emergency use authorization allows delivery without performing that full testing.

It's a little ridiculous to believe that cutting that process short would have no risk.

 

100% correct, which is why making the vaccine mandatory is really over the top wrong.

Forcing a vaccine on people that might not protect them, might not prevent them from spreading the virus and might cause them long term health problems, is really a stupid power trip, not good medicine.

To top it off the manufacturers have been given protection from liability, meaning if it really screws people up, they are on their own with no recourse to collect damages for the tort that was imposed upon them.

This vaccine plan could seriously destroy the health care system in the U.S. if things go South down the road.

Meanwhile Big Pharma, which was once hated by the progs, is now celebrated as the best thing to come along since sliced bread.

 

There are a pile of problems with the study. Many. Low percentage of elderly. So many other variables not even mentioned for the small size of the test group - and small difference with the placebo group. No possibly way to examine possible long term negative effects.

All 9 prior vaccines by Modera were NEVER approved by the FDA. Until now, NO vaccine developed my Modera has been approved.

The Pfizer vaccine is upon a new theory and process for vaccines never used before.

Candidly the best hope - and I think the real purpose - is as a placebo that people believe works - hoping it doesn't hurt people.

Me? Not a chance in hell.

 

In short order we're going to have FAR more information on safety than we would have had by the standard testing procedures.

I'm all in favor of requirements starting to be introduced within the next couple months given continued safety levels we've seen so far.


The issues with "big pharma" are serious, but they really have very little to do with safety of the products. They have more to do with cost, distribution, the reasons certain diseases are ignored, etc.

 

We're having the most gigantic test process ever carried out.

Your concerns are being fully addressed in the most aggressive way possible.

 

Very true, but now it is on humans, not lab rats.

That should give anyone with a brain a strong clue as to what the the U.S. government thinks of it's lab rats err, citizens.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...fety-otherwise.582579/page-14#post-1072315374

 

Be sure to check out the comment section of the video in post #351. The theory is that the vaccine caused her to pass out and she was coerced into giving a bogus reason for her having passed out.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...fety-otherwise.582579/page-14#post-1072316324

 

There is ample evidence that since the early days of the polio vaccine era, humans have been experimented on by Pharma and government.

Remember the story of the Tuskegee Experiments? Tuskegee Syphilis Study - Wikipedia

 

And I believe that is why a lot of that experimentation is done in third world countries, where people cannot lawyer up and be awarded multi-million dollar settlements.

 

True. You could add the Nazi horrors and others.

But, you're entirely dodging what that means.

EVERY remedy (whether from big pharma, herbalists, or ancient man) DOES end up with human experimentation. There will ALWAYS be a first human. Always.

The problem is how to make that testing process as safe as possible while still delivering the successful solutions that medical science can provide.

That is a central focus of the FDA.

 

It's not quite that simple. People can't just lawyer up and be awarded multi-million dolla settlements here, either.

Big pharma has protection when they show they acted in good faith by following FDA guidelines for best practices, hid no information and were unaware of the risk in question.


The issue in any country includes an assessment of the risk of the solution compared to the size of the problem in that country.

So, in the USA we excused Pfizer and Moderna from completing FDA required teesting, because of an assessment of the risk of not completing testing as compared to the size of the problem in this country.

That's exactly the kind of analysis and decision that would happen in any other country.

I'm sure you're right that there have been decisions made based on totally illigitmate factors - assessment of value of foreign lives, profit, politics, etc.

I'm just saying that there can be legitimate reasons for different decisions based on local conditions.

 

I am always surprised at the small horizon some people still have. Those vaccines have found approval all over the world.
Experts all over the world looked at the Phase 1,2,3 data and came to the same conclusion as the US FDA.

You are absolutely right at one point you have to give your new vaccines and medication to people.
You can test as much as you want, but you will never be able to test your new stuff on millions of people.
There is always a risk. Nobody can ever with all the test for see what happens if millions of people take that med or vacc.

But we are not any more in the 50s, 60s, 70s, or 80s. Science has changed drastically, with computers, Gen tech, solving DNA, translating it and so and so on.
RNA is not a magic, has been known for a long time. The technology of a mRNA, is not new.
Curevac, BioNtech and Moderna and many other labs have been working on it for over a decade. Some have cancer vaccines in Phase 2, or Rabbies.
That technology was just 2 or 3 years away to break through. It was just a question of money.
Covid had billions dumped into those companies.
It was a no brainer for me that they would have a vaccine by the fall, by reading what ever was possible to find about that technology.

 

Yes, the story of SARS/COVID v the world is remarkable in every angle imaginable.

I hope this time we've learned something.

But, outside of progress in medical science I'm reasonably sure we as a nation haven't learned one damned thing.

 

I have writin in this forum in early summer, that Covid will be like the Moon Program. Money does not matter just get us to the Moon and back.
At that time them Redstones were blowing up next to every start and poof, there was the Saturn5 and Apollo 11 flew to the, 2 Astronauts landed and all 3 returned save. 200 billions, 500 billions. We still don't know. Today routine and Space X lands its first stage every time. One of the spin offs.
The major problem we have in medical research, it is profit run, bean counters. A product has to return its investments and make a solid profit, within a time line.

If you take a look at bioNtech or Curevac, they have never made a profit. They totally depended on the support of some rather wealthy people.
Billionaires and their buddies super millionaires, for over a decade.
Just spending money like crazy.
Yes those science pioneers need to be recognized, what they did in the last 11 month was absolute outstanding.
But it is those folks behind them, who provided the money into the research over the last decade.

I am not sure that we have not learned a thing. But to bring that to the foreground you need a person which is humble and understands the losses.
That was Trumps greatest failure. The virus was about him, not us.
I think that will change on Jan 20.
Grand Pa knows about personnel loses, which humble you.
I think the tone will change and the enormity of the catastrophe will be shown to the people, so the Nation can actually weep.

 

Great post!

I'm not as opposed to capitalism, though I would promote more federal spending on the research that drug corporations use in order to create and productize solutions. And, there are issues with what they charge and how they choose which disease to address.


As for Biden's ability to counter the antiscience, a test is coming up.

Everyone vaccinated STILL needs to abide by the requirements of wearing masks, not congregating, reducing travel, had washing, etc., etc.

The reason is that even vaccinated, it's entirely possible to get COVID - just not seriously and more likley indetectably (at least without testing). And, therefore a vaccinated individual can still spread COVID across our nation.

So, when Biden states this to our nation, what's the result going to be?

Will those vaccinated in Tennessee wear masks? Indiana? North Dakota? Are Californians going to travel less? Is NOLA going to cancel Mardi Gras? Is Florida going to disuade masses of spring break partiers? Are good Christians going to resist packing churches where those vaccinated can infect those for whom vaccinations aren't even available?

My money is on "NO". I think lasting damage has been done, and the anti-science BS won't be forgotten even in the future when the next pandemic arrives. In fact, I'd bet we've increased anit-VAX communities opposed to ANY vaccination. And, how can that be opposed when that community has zero interest in science based medicine and a deep and abiding love of conspiracy theories.

 

I completely agree that experiments are necessary, no question.

What matters is how the experiments are conducted. Whether ethical and moral men conduct the experiments or not. Yes, there will always be a first human.

Rational public discussion of what ethics should apply is in order, but it never happens.

I'm not happy to report that the central focus of the FDA today is accommodation of the pharmaceutical industry. Not the responsible regulation of the industry, the accommodation of the industry, as in NCVICA of 1986.

 

Medical ethics is a gigantic and active field of study. You can get a degre in that. You can make law on that through your representatives. You can be jailed for medical ethics violations. Such violations can get certified medical experts eliminated from the field of medicine. The FDA, CDC, AMA, and other institutions are gate keepers on policing established ethics. Medical schools give this major focus. The sciences of sociology, psychology, etc., are hugely limited in what they can do because of strong ethics limitations, making results in these fields seriously difficult to assure by testing. So, such standards go well beyond medicine - even extending into general product liability.

Isn't the real issue with these two vaccines the fact that full FDA required testing was not performed?

A decision was made to give emergency certification, short circuiting full testing requirements. The reason was that the pandemic is serious enough to have weight against the possibility of findings that the full level of testing could make known even after the level of testing that has been acomplished.

Do you believe that was an improper decision?

 

You are absolutely right. Being vaccinated does not prevent you from being a spreader. The virus can not harm you anymore, but you might catch it and have it in your nose or mouth, for up to 5 days till it starts to penetrate your body and than it gets killed.
This is part of my explanation to my employees, why vaccination will be mandatory for further employment and future employment. I want to take my kisser sock and face shield of, return to normal at work. But I can not do that if not everybody is vaccinated.
I will give public live, like going to the grocery store, a grace period, July, depending how vaccination is going. But than the no vaccers are on their own. Can not fix stupid.

But in my private community, there will be just a 4 weeks grace period. You vaccinate when your time comes, or stay as far away as you can from me, because I do not want the responsibility of having you infected.

No, they will pack the churches, they will not give everybody a grace period. They will say I am vaccinated, screw you.

But I have made up my mind. My employees and I are third in the lane. Once we are due I will close the company for that half day and we all stand in line to get the shot, gives the support, we are all there. Same for the second shot. Who ever does not show up, no excuses, gets his and hers last paycheck. Period.

Middle of July is my birth day and that is the last day of my grace period. I will take that kisser sock of, in public or when I am in the public section of my business, too.

 

No, it was the proper decision. It is not just about the dead, its about the live long side effects of the virus, which will hammer the 30, 40 and 50.
the 60 and above they are already on their way out. If folks like me get one more Aua, big deal, might cost us a couple years.
But those 30 to 50, because of the time span they still have, will hugely suffer over a long period of time. They aint going to make 70, they probably will be lucky to make 65 retirement age. Till than they will be huge burden to society, over several decades. They will be in the hundreds of millions, already. Lung damage, liver, heart, kidney, neurology, some will have combinations.
The older you get, well, .......................................

This virus has to be stopped this year, no matter what, even if the vaccines have side effects and even long term side effects, 1% which is a very high number. It is better than what the virus does.
Since the virus is mutating and gets more aggressive, you have to react. Even if it means that their will be casualties, or we end up with a population of seriously damaged people.
About the vaccines, the only thing new is the mRNA, everything in the vaccines have been used in oral or injectables, there is nothing new in them.
The mRNA is out of the body within 24 to 48 hours, natural biological process. I do not think their will be a massive long term effect.

Actual the full testing was performed, the FDA even raised their barriers. The only thing that did not happen is long term studies, 2 or 3 years, of watching the folks in the test group. But the basic test results of Phase 1, 2 ,3 and their review is the same as for every other vacc and medication. The only difference they did not drag their feet, but got all their resources behind that process.

 

Gnoib & WillRead

Though I will not be taking the vaccine, the series of posts you two offer here is good and informed.

I would be interested in knowing your takes on the meaning and implications of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensation Act of 1986.

 

I think the question you're raising involves what to do when corporations fulfill all testing requirements in full and are truthful and open in disclosing all results.

Humans are not built equally and there is absolutely zero possibility of ensuring that no individual will ever be harmed by a medical solution that has undergone ANY level of testing of limited numbers of test subjects.

I doubt we have any way of creating pharmaceuticals of any kind without providing some protection for those who do this important work.

That doesn't mean I'm fully satisfied with current testing of pharmaceuticals.

For example, examination of testing history has shown that various groups have been under represented in some testing regimes - groups such as children, pregnant women, women, racial minorities, elderly, etc., etc. In fact, early testing usually excludes those who have conditions that might obfuscate whether the drug is effective - effectiveness being a key objective in early testing. So, when we cut tests short by implementing emergency certification (like we just did) it's not a big shock that someone would have an allergic reaction that wasn't expected.


Anyway, if you don't get vaccinated it will have little to do with testing. What's happening RIGHT NOW is the most gigantic of all possible tests.

Frankly, I doubt that your decision will have anything at all to do with medical science. And, I wish you luck - even though those not vaccinated are a danger to other Americans.

 

Here's another nurse who regrets having taken the vaccine.

NURSE SHARES SIDE EFFECTS AFTER RECEIVING THE VACCINE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LJwtKRvQhspx/


Here's more on Tiffany Dover.

TIFFANY DOVER - Another Vaccine Casualty


http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/2020/12/tiffany-pontes-dover-is-dead-evidence.html


This isn't settled yet.

 

Well I'm disappointed in your response. Not a word about our elected representatives granting immunity to their corporate sponsors.

Disappointed, but not surprised in the least.

Wouldn't it be way cool if the auto industry couldn't be sued for its faulty designs?!?!