Russia commemorates the 76th anniversary of its victory in the Second World War

he who pays the piper calls the tune

 

Let's stop the foolishness that's now being thrown about for political expediency. I read Pope John Paul II's biography and know damn well what was going on in Poland in WWII. That the future Pope even managed to survive considering priest's were being heavily prosecuted in Poland, was either by luck or a miracle - whichever you want to believe.

John Paul II said Hitler wanted to destroy the Polish culture, and to keep that from happening, he held secret gatherings . It was only by chance that John Paul managed to escape the Nazi round up of the young men in Gdansk.

As for Stalin, whatever crimes he did or did not commit, he did save the Russian people from complete annihilation and for that they should be grateful. If anyone's to be hated, it should be Lenin for destroying the country and imposing a God less and inhumane system on it.

As for Leningrad, Hitler hated it because it was the hub of the revolution. He wanted to completely destroy it and everyone in it. He bombed and blockaded it and together with the peasants who had run into the city to escape the German onslaught, the death toll was almost 1 1/2 million.

Putin's brother was one of those that died, and his mother was ready to be taken away with the rest of the bodies, when his father returned and noticed that she was still breathing. The rest is history.

The difference between Stalin and Hitler in WWII is that Hitler wanted to annihilate the Russian people and take their lands, while Stalin in contrast was protecting Russia from being annihilated. That's a big difference, so how can you compare the one with the other?

According to Churchill's biography, to save the people of Leningrad he asked Roosevelt to start a lend lease with Stalin. And according to the research I did for a book, the American ships would dock in Iran or Vladisvostok, and the Russians would jump into the trucks and quickly drive the 4 to 6 thousand miles to Leningrad. They even risked the precarious drive over the frozen Lake Ladoga which was the only route into the city.

 

In the past, the Russians such as the Russyns and Ruthenians were originally under the Kiev and then Moscow Patriarch and are now under the Pope. This means it was Europe that was intruding and advancing into Russian lands and not the other way around. So who then are the aggressors? Obviously not the Russians.

The hatred Western Europe has towards the Russians is embedded in their DNA, but not because they were being attacked by Russia. But because Moscow would not allow Europe to advance into the Slavic and Orthodox lands and suppress the people.

The Russians were attacked by the West in one way or another just about every 25 years. The more recent ones was the revolution in 1917 by Lenin and his Bolsheviks. They were not Russians, and wanted to overthrow Russia's government and install Karl Marx's liberal and international atheist ideology.

Then came Adolph Hitler with his own superman ideology, who wanted to exterminate the Russians and take their lands. After that came the fall of the USSR when the 'Harvard boys' came to supposedly help the Russian economy to adjust. Instead the wealth fell into the hands of Russian citizens who had bank connections and off shore accounts while the Russians went hungry.

After that was the break up of Yugoslavia because of its connections with Russia. Then Syria, again because of its connections with Russia. After that was the coup against the legitimate president of Ukraine and the installing of nationalists and anti Russian Galicians.

Vladimir Putin foolishly thought that Russia could get along with the West, but he realizes now that the hatreds and paranoias are too deeply embedded into the European psyche.

 

Russian white wash.
I am glad that America entered the war. Japan did Europe a big service by stopping
the Soviets from reaching the Atlantic and even taking England. From there they
would have taken Japan and most likely saved Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot the job by
taking Indo China as well.

 

In the above quote I typed Poland instead of Finland.
It's hard to imagine that someone would say Stalin saved Russia.
History tells us this didn't happen - Stalin and Lenin basically destroyed
Russia - first by destroying its churches, business, international standing,
army, ethnic minorities, fledgling democracy,private ownership. Stalin
even destroyed the original Bolsheviks - for that we can give him a hand.

If you were a slav in 1941 you were in trouble. But Stalin destroyed an
entire class of people for the crime of having two cows or a petrol engine.
Stalin's chief of secret police in Ukraine (what are they doing in Ukraine?)
boast that he would destroy an entire class of people, whether they obeyed
the Soviet rules or not.

 

I doubt that the US would be celebrating a victory over Germany during WWII had it not been for the Eastern front.

 

I don't doubt. Germany's defeat was a foregone conclusion by the time the U.S. landed in Normandy. It was done, over. The only thing the U.S. did was shorten the inevitable by a few months.

Did the U.S. help the Soviets beat Germany? Yes. Did they need it? No, most likely not.

Furthermore, the Soviets didn't 'invade' Germany or any other country that had sided with Germany or was taken over by Germany......the resulting occupation by the Soviets is what happens when someone starts a war with your Soviet Countries and 25+ million of your people die because of the Germans. WTF were the Soviets supposed to do? Beat the Germans back to the Polish border and stop????? Hell no, they had to finish it....because the West damn sure wasn't going to do it. They HAD to do what they did and I will say one more thing, at least they finally left....as opposed to the U.S. planting *******ned permanent military bases wherever the U.S. meddles in Europe or any other part of the World.

 

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This is interesting...


Former Reagan advisor asked Putin for Russian citizenship

May 16, 2021

Former adviser to US President Ronald Reagan on the Soviet Union, ex-State Department employee Suzanne Massy asked Russian leader Vladimir Putin to allow her to obtain a Russian passport. She stated this on the air of the NTV channel, reports RIA News…

“If President Vladimir Vladimirovich finds an opportunity to give me Russian citizenship, it will be an honor for me,” said the American.

more at link

https://pledgetimes.com/former-reagan-advisor-asked-putin-for-russian-citizenship/



Sputnik

Kremlin Yet to Consider Reagan Advisor Massie’s Citizenship Request


MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Kremlin has not yet considered a request for Russian citizenship that Suzanne Massie, a famed American historian and adviser to President Ronald Reagan, made last week, the presidential spokesman said on Monday.

Massie, 90, asked Russian President Vladimir Putin for a Russian passport during an NTV broadcast in Moscow. She came to Russia to attend the May 9 Victory Day parade.

"We haven’t studied this request nor had an opportunity to watch this wonderful show. But you should know that application for citizenship implies going through bureaucratic procedures … The request will be considered after these procedures are cleared," Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

Massie advised Reagan on Russia from 1984-1988 and played a significant role in ending the Cold War. She taught the president a Russian proverb, "trust, but verify," which he famously used during nuclear disarmament talks with the Soviet Union.

https://sputniknews.com/us/20210517...r-reagan-advisor-massies-citizenship-request/


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I disagree that the war was basically over on D Day. The Russians were taking huge fatalities on the Russian front.

 

You sound butthurt....you should be, minus the Vaseline.

First off....yeah DDay was a major turning point since that Georgian cobbler POS Stalin was always crying for a Second front.....just like Sicily and North Africa....and the massive lend lease the asiatic raguls received otherwise Russkis would've made for lampshades.

Sovs invaded Germany....just like they invaded Poland,Czech,Hungary,Romania Bulgaria....occupation/,invasion amounts to same thing....read much Johnny Carson?

What of your occupational Iron Curtain???....all ended up in the $hitbin of history and the former members now in EU/Nato.....and quite happy for it,LOL.

Too bad Patton wasn't in charge....the Sovs would've been stopped cold somewhere in Belarus and you wouldn't have had this "cold war".

25 mln of "your people ".....Balts,Ukies Stan's weren't your "people "....who were forcefully annexed and made to fight for by asiatic NKVD. Learn some facts.

 

I think you misunderstood what I said. The Soviets were marching to victory long before D-Day. Yes, of course, the Soviets were taking huge fatalities but that trend changed once they defeated Hitler's forces in Stalingrad. From then on, the Eastern Front shifted thousands of miles back toward Berlin until ultimate victory. The Eastern Front, at the time of D Day, had already been pushed back about a 1000 miles and in the 5 weeks after D Day, another 450 more while the Brits and US were still in the Normandy countryside.

 

So....roughly by your calculation....5 was after DDay....puts you to early July and the Russkis at the Brandenburg Gates?.....where's the other 10-12 months of the war?.....you realize there thousands of Germans in Ukraine and Baltics....even Belarus at that time chronology....Lviv Ukraine wasn't "liberated " til August of that year?.....lay off the krokodil dude.)

 

All assumptions and doubtful. Paranoia's alive and well I see. But then again it is embedded in the West's DNA.

Okay, so the Soviet Union with its internationalist and atheist ideology under Moscow is now dead - and its Washington now that invades, robs other countries resources like in Syria, controls the medias, and imposes it's liberal ideologies on other nations.

So do you have the same hatred now towards the US, or is it okay as long as it's us, but not okay if it's Russia? Wouldn't that mean you have an embedded animosity towards Russia?





Americans you must pay heed,
and help us search and help us weed
the Russians from among us folks,
so we can stop their traitorous works.

For if we don't, then they might rule,
and turn our land into a tool,
for Putin and his personal gain,
and that would be an awful shame.

For we are great and know what's good.
We know we're right and what we should
be doing now is start to fight
and slam them with our media might - Jeannette

 

The US was a different country when Reagan was president. We still had a sense of honor. I know that Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, one of the most brilliant men in the country, was ashamed at how the promises made to Gorbachev were broken; first by Bill Clinton and then by George Bush - even though his father was one of those involved.

Frankly I'm amazed Massie could travel to Moscow at her age. From what I read, it is difficult to obtain Russian citizenship. I read about an American recently who became a Russian Orthodox priest and moved there with his 5 children. The Church helped him make the move, and he went to Russia because it was the only country where he could home school his children among other things.

He said when he went they had the coldest winter in 150 years, they didn't know the language, and to top it off he got cancer. He said in the US it would have cost him a fortune, and in Russia the treatments ended up costing $100. He's not paid as a priest since the small congregation wouldn't be able to afford supporting a family his size, but he does work through his computer.

 

Let me get this straight - 'paranoia' is 'embedded in the West's DNA'
but in Russia...

not in Russia... ?????

So was Stalin (uncle Joe) fighting the West's paranoia?
When Putin bumps off all his opponents is that 'paranoia' or just cold calculus?
When the West feared countries like Germany, Vietnam and Greece would go
Communist, was that 'paranoia' or just a reasonable, fact based assumption?
Who controls the American media - Trump's side or the Democrat side?

 

What opponents did Putin bump off? As far as I know the only opponents Vladimir Putin has, is the head of the Communist Party and the Ultra Nationalist Imperialist Party - and they're both alive and well.

The other so called opponents of Putin, were nothing more than Western assets who had no followings, so Washington and London decided they were worth more dead than alive as assets for their anti Putin propaganda. The Russian hospital managed to save Navalny though, from the deliberate overdosing of his diabetes medication, so they had him go to Germany to figure out their next move. He's considered a traitor in Russia. Can you imagine someone running for office in your country that's on a foreign payroll?

Those countries were going communist not because of the USSR's aggression, but because of political deception. What do you think the 'Great Reset' is? It's a precursor to the One World Government. We are becoming the new USSR.

 

So who controls the American media? Did Trump control CNN? If so the White House
did a miserable job of it - never a day went by without Trump bashing.
I find it funny you swallow the Kremlin's line on Navalny. Didn't you also swallow that
line about the Buk missile and the Russian 'volunteers' in the Ukraine?
I thought it funny the useful idiots denied there were 100,000 Russian troops on the
Ukraine border, until Putin said he was withdrawing them!!!!

Trust the Western media - it's slightly more accurate than a dictator's media.

 

Poohbear- To emphasize what I was saying about us becoming what the USSR was in the past, here are some quotes from an open letter written by over 150 retired Generals and Admirals May 11, 2021

"... Our country has made a hard turn to the left, towards socialism and is turning into a Marxist form of tyrannical government," the letter concluded, calling on "all citizens to now participate at local, stateand/ornational level to elect political representatives who will act to save America and our constitutional democracy and make accountable those who are currently in power".

"...We are fighting for our survival as a constitutional democracy like no other time since our founding in 1776. There is a conflict between supporters of socialism and Marxism and supporters of constitutional freedom."

https://djhjmedia.com/kari/120-flag...s-to-save-america-and-counter-chinas-marxism/​

 

Sounds like France recently.

 

General Douglas MacArthur stated that in none of the many wars he had participated in had he observed “such an effective resistance to the heaviest blows of a hitherto undefeated enemy, followed by a smashing counterattack which is driving the enemy back to his own land. The scale and grandeur of this effort marks it as the greatest military achievement in all of history."

https://covertactionmagazine.com/20...ureau-chief-distorts-history-of-world-war-ii/

 

The link also said:

The Soviet Red Army destroyed 507 German divisions and 100 allied Axis divisions, 77,000 enemy planes, and 48,000 enemy tanks and armored vehicles. It further accounted for between 75 and 80 percent of Axis casualties in World War II, killing at least 10 million German soldiers.

Churchill wrote in a letter to Stalin on September 27, 1944, that “it is the Russian army that tore the guts out of the German military machine.” Roosevelt in a fireside chat told the American public two years earlier that “these Russian forces have destroyed and are destroying more armed power of our enemies—troops, planes, tanks and guns—than all the other united nations put together.”
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So rather than congratulating Russia over the Soviet's victory that had cost them so much in lives and property, we resort to insulting and humiliating Russia until it ends up in a world war. Then the cycle of destruction and rebuilding will start again - but this time with a lot less people in the world.

An example of the arrogance and blindness is the EU's latest, that Russia must have a regime change. Of course the will of the Russian people doesn't matter, and all this while the EU is on the verge of extinction over Erdogan's arousal of the Muslim world.

 

26 million Russians died??

Thats misleading.....and false....Balts,Ukranians,Stan's,Poles aren't Russkis.

At "least"10 million Germans?

Also misleading.....where's other links other than this "covert action"?

 

During WWII 27 million Russians, both military and civilian were killed.

 

It will be much worse than that in the future because Putin has resurrected and glorifies Stalin.

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Wasn't just "Russians".....apart from Stalingrad,Kursk.....80%+ fighting was in Ukraine.....millions Ukranians died...as did Balts,Stan's etc.


Unless you're trying to claim that those said peoples are Russians.....which they weren't.