The Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal Immigration

yea, UE from over 10% to under 5%, record high stock market and the most consecutive months of jobs growth of any US president. Lol, what the **** is wrong with you. Worst on record,

 

"Obama dug the country out of the hole created by D policies ??"-AFM

Why do you persist in deception? The economy crashed under Shrub Jr. when he wasted $5 trillion on the Iraq/Afghan invasion, and adding $3 trillion more with his tax cut welfare for the rich, and deregulation of bank loans. Shrub did all this with a republican congress and senate. It was NOT Obama policies. If you try another lie, you lose all credibility like Tramp.

 

If true, then why have dems lost elections since 2010 and are now at power levels NOT SEEN SINCE 1929? (across the board, local, state and federal levels)

Steve

 

Republicans win because of gerrymandering. And what I posted was demonstrably true. Sorry.

 

Dems have lost well over a 1000+ seats across the board since 2010. They are now at levels of power NOT SEEN SINCE 1929. That's not a swing in power, THAT'S A CRASH IN POWER.

That's 89 YEARS of power change in less than a decade. It's pre-Roosevelt!

Steve

 

Name one.

 

they haven't. Republicans have won slightly more due to Gerry mandering. Everything I posted about Obama's economic recovery was demonstrably true. deal with it.

 

Thanks for making my point. You won’t get it but those of us who understand economics and economic history do.

 

I gave you three....
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realsp...rgias-immigration-law-backfires/#5563e55b492a

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/immigrant-worker-unharvested-crops_us_59508a72e4b05c37bb774d89

 

Your point is like Tramp saying "Mexico will pay for the wall".Tramp doesn't know economic history, because he doesn't read.

 

Nice try but those are not cost benefit analyses written by economists.

 

Here's the way I deal with it. Dems have been losing elections and will continue to lose elections as long as they keep moving left of center instead of toward the center. The reason that Time Magazine article didn't get mainstreamed in the media is because dems don't want to move toward the center.

I'm fine with that. Dems keep losing elections in the long run.

Steve

 

PA last night is reverse confirmation of your point.

 

I didn't make your point. I clearly refuted it, lol.

 

The Cato Institute for one. Honestly, I think I'd have a harder time finding an economist who agrees with the OP. Honestly, I have yet to see a full net analysis from any economist who claims otherwise. They always insist on putting on blinders instead and limiting their scope to, say, only tax service consumption vs taxes paid, which ignores economic growth factors that immigrants contribute toward.

 

WRONG! First, that is ONE out of 1000+ seats lost by dems since 2010.

Second, that dem candidate was more inline with Trump than the vast majority of dems currently in office. I seriously doubt he will keep his campaign promises, thus, in the long run dems keep losing elections as they move away from the center.

Steve

 

Already dealt with this. Gerry mandering.

You don't seem to understand how mid term elections historically work. Lol.

Everything I posted regarding the Obama economic recovery is demonstrably correct. deal with it

 

YOU don't understand that mid-term elections are HIGHLY DEPENDENT upon the losing party reevaluating WHY they've lost elections in order to change and win again.

It NEVER HAPPENED with dems SINCE 2010 (at least not in a meaningful way).

Steve

 

Nope. Historically mid term elections favor the opposition party.

Because as I have correctly pointed out, mid term elections favor the opposition. Couple that with Gerrymandering, and you've got a slight lead for republicans.


I'm glad you abandoned questioning the Obama economic recovery that I correctly pointed out.

 

As an educated economist, you couldn't argue with my points about Obama's poor economic recovery. Obama introduced greater uncertainty after his stimulus when he forced Obamacare on the people. That's why dems lost the House in 2010 and have kept losing elections as they march in LOCK-STEP with each other, while republicans are divided BECAUSE they do what their LOCAL voters want them to do.

Steve

 

Sure you did. The stimulus promised 8% max, the stock market was the only place to get a return because the economic growth was so slow that the Fed would not increase interest rates, and economic growth averaged 2%. The Obama recovery was the slowest on record.

 

Also this:

"[E]very empirical study of illegals' economic impact demonstrates the opposite. . . : undocumenteds actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services. Moreover, undocumented immigrants contribute to the U.S. economy by investing and consuming goods and services; filling millions of "essential worker" positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and making unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance. Eighty-five percent of eminent economists surveyed have concluded that undocumented immigrants have had a positive (seventy-four percent) or neutral (eleven percent) impact on the U.S. economy."

Lipman, F.J. (2006). The Taxation of Undocumented Immigrants: Separate, Unequal, and Without Representation. Scholarly Works, 804.

 

The Cato institute has shown that illegal aliens are a net benefit ??

 

Or illegals are an asset to the country and never commit crimes ?

 

Beware dems quoting the CATO Inst. That is the old school philosophy of keeping wages low to benefit corporations and big business.

Steve