Why should white people be blamed for African American's collective social status?

Read the title, please. Ohh so enlightened noble Englishman.

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Trying to defend something right this moment, aren't we?

 

whatever, we get it, you know as much about afrika as americans know about world history.

 

Yup, everyone is ignoring poverty….but this unwritten law? I’m not aware of it. Who’s law is this and where is this notion coming from? Are the majority of blacks “not doing well”? Yes, they are disproportionately poor and underemployed but “most not doing well”? Are they, collectively as a group blaming whites for their economic ills? Do whites, collectively as a group feel blamed by blacks? I for one as an old white guy, do not feel blamed, or personal responsibility for the plight of black folks. I don’t believe in original sin. Could it be that you feel blamed out of guilt stemming from latent racist attitudes that you project onto other white people? Just asking. I have to wonder if your premise is at all valid since you provide no actual evidence of it in the form of a survey or study of how people feel, of who blacks blame ( if anyone in particular) and how many whites feel blamed.

Then you state that a lot of people “think” white people tend to hire white people, and go on to assert that “Various studies show that private firms hire proportionally far more African Americans than any public sector” Who are “a lot of people? Where are the studies ?” Again, you fail to provide any documentation for your assertion which may or may not be true, and if true, may or may not result in one group blaming the other, or feelings of being blamed.

Then you go on to mention slavery and assert that most blacks came to this country of their own free will. That too may or may not be true, since again you provide no source for this. All that we know is that the African American population is made up of some mix of descendants of slaves and voluntary immigrants. In addition you imply that African’s who did come here as slaves were ultimately better off because of conditions in Africa. You completely discount the fact that families were ripped apart, slaves were viciously abused, many died in the slave trade and human beings were treated as animals or worse. And at the same time you offer no evidence that contemporary African Americans blame whites for slavery in large numbers, or offer any explanation as to how it relates to your premise that blacks, or anyone believe that “the majority of African Americans are not doing well is because of white people” Rather, it seems to be an attempt to say to blacks, “Hey get over it, we saved you with slavery so stop blaming whitey for your current condition. It could have been a lot worse”
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You end by saying “This thread is merely setting out to illustrate how ridiculous and groundless it is to attribute one racial groups' social condition solely to another group. Again, you fail to documentation or provide any logical argument to demonstrate that anyone is blaming whites on the plight of African Americans. In addition, you gloss over the fact that many African Americans are doing quite well, while many whites are not- who are they blaming? Some are blaming the blacks, or the Mexicans no doubt. Your premise is a gross and inane over simplification of race relations in the US. Economic status of minorities is the result of a complex mix of social, cultural, economic and, yes racial issues that seems to me lost on you. I think that you need to go back and rethink this whole nonsensical post and clarify your argument if in fact you have one that makes any kind of sense. Please try to do so by including documentation of the validity of the assertions that you make, and by dispensing with the blatant racism, as well as the appeals to ignorance and other logical fallacies that you rely on.

 

are you a euro-american by chance? Maybe that might explain your total lack of understanding even the simplest aspects of 'trans atlantic so-called trade'

 

I don't know if the Congo had the wheel in use for transportation.. but most of those places used the wheel for grinding or lifting water out of a well in ancient times. In KSA in antiquity they also used the wheel as a burglar deterrent.

 

HEY!!!

You have to remember the the United States is still a great melting pot of many cultures, religions, races and nationalities.

But several facts remain....the United States has without a doubt the best Colleges and Universities and these exist an great numbers....and yes this does not take away from Oxford.

And secondly...at this point in time as it has been since 1945....the United States is dictating History as with a $17.7 Trillion Economy and a Military so vast and lethal...any country that has an interest with trade with the United States...and this includes China, Russia, Pakistan, the E.U.....etc....is NOT going to go off and do ANYTHING that might P!$$ OFF the United States.

This is even true for groups such as Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad who might hate and target Israel but are ESPECIALLY CAREFUL not to do ANYTHING that might P!$$ OFF the U.S.....as to do so would cause the U.S. to come down on such groups like the Hammer of GOD.

AboveAlpha

 

Sadly the Black community in the United States seems to be represented only by the whine-babies among them. "Waaaaaaaaaah! We are Black and so everybody ooooooooooooooows us" . . . well, everything, apparently. Regardless of how many Blacks pull themselves up by their own boot straps, take full advantage of having doors WELDED open exclusively for their benefit, the nation on the whole only hears the chronic whinebabies among them. "Waaaaaaaaah! Nothing is EVER our fault. You OWE us! Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!"

It's got to be rather frustrating for the countless Blacks who actually have got a spine and a decent amount of self-respect.

 

It may not be enough to pizz off the politicians and generals who are on the US government take, but it does pizz off the little guys with the ieds who lost friends and relatives in US actions. Even Bronze Medal winner Special Forces Sergeant Timmy McVeigh got pissed off enough when the Federales massacred a bunch of nonviolent men, women, and children at Waco that he decided to make an ied to retaliate with.

 

I notice this BS OP is empty, truely a personal opinion lacking fact. So the question is, do we get to play the game or not?

 

Think you got your colors mixed up!!

 

Timmy McVeigh was a coward, a murderer and a traitor.

And I know a great many people who I sometimes work with who would have had no compunction at all putting a bullet in his head.

AboveAlpha

 

best for what, cannabis?

 

Well there you have it; thinking is always an iffy proposition for some people.

 

Sound more like you're talking about corporate America and the rich. Your appeal to ignorance with one line trashing every black person in America is breath taking and mind numbing. You should go back and read my eloquent and biting reply to the moronic and racist OP. You seem to be suffering from the same intellectual and moral depravation as the author.

 

That or you are simply wrong. You never know. Rather than launch a personal attack against me, however, you might -- gasp! -- address the contents of the post itself. Think about the Blacks who have made it through the military as proud enlisted men or women and upon leaving the service hear their self-appointed advocates doing nothing in THEIR NAMES except whine endlessly about how helpless Blacks are to help themselves, about how White are keeping their boot pressed firmly against Black necks, and about how NOTHING is EVER the fault of Blacks.

It's got to be very frustrating for any self-respecting and independent-minded human being to realize that in the eyes of the world his or her 'people' are considered a bunch of helpless schmucks who need someone (usually a White liberal) to follow behind them, artificially propping them up wherever they go, telling them how tender and delicate they are and how mistreated they have been.

Sigh . . . still . . . guilt ridden liberals MEAN WELL . . . even if they collectively are the ones messing up Black head spaces at this point in time.

 

Why do white libbies always feel the need to pick on white people in racial threads? Do you see blacks doing it? Do you think it makes you better then other white people or something?

 

It's an interesting combination of self-loathing (oh I am a privileged White!) and vindictiveness (Which means that I get to self-righteously point the trembling finger of blame at White Republicans who DO NOT feel guilty over the plight of . . . well . . . of anybody, actually). The psychology of such people is simple. The irony in regards to such White liberals is that they are terrified of actually committing to their own ideology and to 'do the right thing' and give their personal wealth and attainments to more deserving Blacks. They are all mouth and no action where it really matters.

 

Yep . . . all true and all sad . . . and yet all quite fun to mock in regard to their innate mindsets.

 

and what would that be?

 

You can never have an honest debate with a leftist. If they sense it they use their race card defense mechanism. So it is best to mock and ridicule them. It makes you feel better afterward and less frustrated with the direction of the country and it allows them to wallow in self pity, a favorite past time. Win win for all.

 

Liberals love to blame WHITE REPUBLICANS for all the worlds ills, but most are sadly unfamiliar with the true history of the Democratic Liberal Gods they worship. The official language of the Liberal Gods is "newspeak" it was invented in 1984

The oppression of the Black man has it roots on this continent in the Democratic Party. Republicans have been their greatest allies for over a hundred years now, yet the sophisticated Liberal media machine still has them voting Democratic.

 

It would appear that the originator of the stink bomb OP has more or less fled the scene after detonating it, making no attempt to defend against my rebuttal. Left behind is a cesspool of self loathing bigots who need to whine about blacks to mask their own miserable live while feeding on each other's bovine excrement

 

I find it amazing how folks who have never dealt with racism and discrimination can always tell someone else to just "get over it".

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Hmmmm, you got anything to back up that assertion.

 

Historical facts clearly demonstrate that the infamous Ku Klux Klan was once the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party. A Short History of Reconstruction by Dr. Eric Foner, respected historian and president of several major professional organizations: Society of American Historians, the Organization of American Historians, and the American Historical Association. Foner states it was founded in 1866 as a Tennessee social club and eventually spread to become a nationwide terrorist organization and functioned as deFacto strong-arm division of the Democratic Party.

The first grand wizard of the KKK was honored at a Democratic National Convention, not a single Democrat voted for the 14th Amendment which granted citizenship to former slaves , 94 percent of Republicans endorsed it.The present History page on the Democratic party website ignores the long standing connection between the Democratic Party and the KKK.

Starting in the 60s Democratic Strategists realized the importance of the Negro vote and began courting African Americans. The Civil Rights movement was already gaining steam thanks to initiatives began by President Eisenhower. President Johnson gave a speech in which the Democratic courting of African Americans is rationalized.

Go Fish !

 

You say that to say what? Neither party is mine, not the Jackass or the Elephant.