Why should white people be blamed for African American's collective social status?

Psst, where did anyone mention Ashkenazi Jews? Oh, you just want to assume that only the white Jews were to blame. Of course.

I never denied that. All races have used slavery in the past. So why only white guilt?

Or maybe it had something to do with their scriptures, which say it's fine and dandy to own slaves, as long as they aren't Jews.

 

:rolf:

it was the eurojews that were referred to in the encyclopedia. It was the euro-jews that owned the ships, it was the euro-jews that got papal dispensation.

Might have something to do with the vastness of the white rape and pillage over both time and territory. Or it might have something to do with the fact that even after slavery was abolished the white's continued to believe in their supremacy as well as their exploitation of blacks. Or maybe its just that to be a good jew or christian you need a decent load of guilt to carry around with you.

You sure that slavey isn't condoned in christian scriptures as well? Except of course with christians it was perfectly fine to enslave another christian. Muslims and jews were the ones that had strictures against enslaving those with the same religious belief.

 

After you're done rolling on the laughing floor, you might want to check that timeline. Remember, the Jewish Encyclopedia said: "At the time of Pope Gregory the Great (590-604) Jews had become the chief traders in this class of traffic". That is the beginning of the 7th century. But, according to Wiki: "it is estimated that in the 11th century they composed only three percent of the world's Jewish population" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews So, in the 7th, they would have been even less than 3%. That's a mighty small percentage of an already small group of people. The idea that they could be the "chief traders" seems unlikely, but feel free to provide sources.

Or, maybe not.

The New Testament doesn't condone slavery in the way that the Old does. The New merely recognized that slavery was a fact, and advised slave owners to treat their slaves fairly, and advised slaves to obey their masters, because failure to do so would be very bad for them. The Old Testament, OTOH, gives permission to buy slaves and keep them and their children perpetually(Leviticus 25:44-46), gives instruction on how to sell your daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:2-6), and tells you how to beat your slave to death and get away with it (Exodus 21:20-21). The brutality of the Jewish laws is hardly comparable to the New Testament treatment of slavery.

 

Posts like this reveal the true depth of white guilt......they just can't stop talking about people making them feel guilty. Maybe they should all go to confession and purge their troubled souls.

 

apparently you are not very familiar with the history of the jews. the idea that they could be important traders, or bankers, or ship owners is not at all "unlikely".

You seem to be under the delusion that jews could move around freely in europe and engage in whatever commerce they wished.

You must not be aware that being a merchant in ancient/medieval times was looked upon with some distaste by the various power brokers.

You must also not be aware that due to all kinds of restrictions, the jews leveraged the two things that petty potentates, princes and priests could not actually confiscate - education and an international network of jews.

"Our slavery is better than their slavery."

What a bankrupt argument.

 

Yes J. more white people than Blacks receive benefits YOU ARE 100% CORRECT !

Now perhaps you were never a Math Major, nor was I,
You have -let's say 100 Black People and 100 White People

Out of the 100 Black People 60 receive Welfare, Snap etc. {60%}
Out of the 100 White People 4 receive Welfare, Snap etc. {4%}

The reason more White people are receiving benefits is because there is a much larger pop. of Caucasian than Negroes, so therefore there are more groups of 100 people.

This is called Percentages - It's something they taught in the 4th grade - perhaps you never got that far, and that's nothing to be ashamed of considering the conditions of our school system and all that.....

Did I go too fast for you ???

 

My statement was correct. Nice that you have finally figured it out, being so fast and all.



I also noticed that you failed to produce a link that confirms your 4% of whites vs 60% of blacks on welfare/snap.

qu'elle suprise.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/

While politically, congressional Republicans have focused on reducing spending on federal entitlement programs, the Pew Research survey found the U.S. to be “a “bipartisan nation of beneficiaries.”

The survey found that significant proportions of Democrats (60%) and Republicans (52%) say they have benefited from a major entitlement program at some point in their lives. So have nearly equal shares of self-identifying conservatives (57%), liberals (53%) and moderates (53%). The programs were Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment benefits and food stamps.

facts can be a real pain in the butt for partisan ideological nonsense.

 

It was provided further back on this thread - As another poster told you - "sorry not your errand boy" but I'll entertain you one last time

60% of blacks on welfare, compared to 4% of whites

HOW THE WELFARE STATE HAS DEVASTATED AFRICAN AMERICANS

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Damn good thing you ain't my errand boy. Seems you can't deliver.

this is a forum post where the body of the post does not in anyway reflect the title of the post.
Of course, that never happens here.

Tragic figures. OTOH, I totally reject the notion that the the economic and social plight of the american black population has been caused by the "welfare" state. Does it contribute in the perpetuation of this american social problem? Of course, but the root causes of are broader and deeper than "welfare".

BTW that little tidbit from the National Fatherhood Initiative is completely bogus about "fatherless" crime.

Oh lookee. Lessee about 40 million blacks at 31% that have ever rec'd food stamps is about 12 million.
And 15% of 280 million whites that have ever rec'd food stamps is about 42 million. More whites than all of the black people in america.

I do not dispute the racial disproportion of welfare receipients, I merely question this stupid notion that you have repeated on a number of occasions about 4% of whites and 60% of blacks. Might want to "reconfigure" if you are up for it.

 

Well you have to understand in the mind's of a racist they think if you repeat a lie long enough it will become the truth.

 

The above represents ignorance, stupidity and illogic. (Utter nonsense.)

If you really believe such commentary, then you are a contributor of the collection of problems that ail this society.

 

Your commentary indicates that you are not aligned with reality.

To my 'ignore' list you go. (I'm tired of your BS.)

Regards.

 

Nonsensical BS!! That means nothing.

To 'ignore' with you.

Regards.

 

Good point.

And with the information tools that are out here today, it isn't as though they could not know even a little better.

 

Amen!!

A lot of times, we see the arrogant, ill-informed White guy in these fora... who wants to point out the words Bill Cosby (or some other Black person) for example said to "Black" Americans, not realizing that with but a few minor 'alterations' to Cosby's commentary... it applies to ALL other American ethnic groups.

I'm always amazed by the stupid White guy... who doesn't have the sense to look at his own ethnic group and SEE the problems injected into this society by the same.

 

It is true. There are no blacks living today that were slaves so modern day blacks have nothing to complain about. They should embrace opportunity, pull their pants up and pull their communities up by being outstanding citizens. They are being fed a victim mentality and that is what is holding them back. It is pathetic.

 

The belief that a race is merely skin tone is a leftist lie.

Okay.

 

What is with your hatred? Will you look at any of the good white people have done?

 

Translation: Some people would rather embrace ideological propaganda bullet points than rational thought processes. Cool!

 

These claims have for the most part been debunked, but you seem to be incapable of understanding statistics -- shall I give you another lesson ?

Numerically higher only because there is a larger pool to draw from Statistically the numbers are 60% Black VS. 4% White ...thats 60 out of 100 Blacks and 4 out of 100 WHites collect Welfare ... Capice ? tu insulso falso nero

The reason more Blacks than whites {Staistically} are trapped on welfare is due to Liberal ignorance to reality and Democratic pandering . estupido cabron materno

 

Your right there are no black folks living today that were slaves, but there are plenty of black folks living today who grew up or came in at the back end of Jim Crow segregation, but hey that wasn't really no big deal was it.

Most black folks do embrace opportunity, the problem is we have to fight harder for that opportunity than you do because of obstacles that people who have the mindset that you do put up.

What is pathetic is racist like you who try to hide or mask that racism with the above BS you post. Deal with much of the racism and discrimination that many older black folks have dealt with and then come back talk too me.

 

It's 2014; no time for racist foolishness.

America has PEOPLE problems it needs to solve. While racism itself IS one of those problems... I don't expect FOOLS to aid in resolving them.

You have made my 'ignore' list.

Regards.

 

It's 2014. And I've decided this is a year where I'll tolerate racists less. They are 'fools'.

I think anyone with the internet... does not need explained to them, that which you so eloquently explained above; yet, I also know it is important to sometimes answer the foolishness of racism here... because many people do arrive here via Google and other meta-searches.

Still, I've gotten older and have begun to see racists more are like men who do certain other things:

They are violent to their wives/families.

They won't take care of their children, and keep having them.

They drink too much without working to get a handle on it.

They are addicted to drugs.

They lie and cheat on their spouses.

They discourage the downtrodden.

They are faithless, crude, rude and deliberately hurtful to others.


So, while MANY might look at Mr. Phil Robertson on Duck Dynasty and revere him... I have a VERY difficult time NOT seeing him as one of the types I just listed above. For a man that would often utter racist and inhumane commentary, is also a man foolish enough to FALL in many other ways... especially since the evil that racism is, seems to know few limits. After all, look at the actual trouble it has caused in this nation alone, not to mention the world. Robertson is no damned hero and neither are those who would exalt his notoriety.

Yes. I'm now certain that 'racists' are DESTRUCTIVE, HEARTLESS FOOLS (though clever they may be). They can be successful folk, but they are an insidious, walking poison in the midst of decent people. They only APPEAR to do good, but few can see them taking two steps backward just as they take one forward.

Do you see crime, hatred and fear in your neighborhood/society today? Well, you can almost be certain that a RACIST HAS LIKELY CONTRIBUTED TO THE SAME. The evil they utter RIPPLES through humanity and causes effects they are typically too foolish to consider or calculate. They are the type of person who would imagine that aerial crop-dusting for RATS (in a residential area), or defecating in the same rooms they work, eat and sleep would be good practices.

Racists are fools. (And they do not have any real idea that they are.)

 

It is ironic that the huge majority of blacks that were sold into slavery were taken as slaves by other black Africans in the first place! Slavery is completely wrong and I'm not defending it but based on your comparison, the "lucky" blacks were the ones who got out of Africa. Thanks to the benefits of living in a majority white society, blacks in America have a much higher standard of living and much better lives than their African counterparts. Nobody wants to admit it but if you really analyze blacks in Africa living completely among themselves what you see basically is human civilization more like it was 10,000 years ago in the Stone Age. No real democracy, no modern medicine, no advances in architecture, no modern technologies, no higher learning in the sciences, philosophy, mathematics or anything else. The list goes on and on.

Long story short, the blacks will have to be absorbed by whites over many years. From a evolution standpoint blacks among themselves hit a plateau thousands of years ago. Now they must be absorbed or be eliminated and the only humane, intelligent thing to do is blend them in to a more evolved humanity.

 

Thanks for that racist perspective. Very useless.