12-Year-Old Boy Dies After Police in Cleveland Shoot Him

hollowpoints do not explode. Most of the time, they don't even mushroom, actually, do to not moving fast enough tohave that effect. most of the hp claims are bs. I can prove it(on animals). you CAN'T fire at a hand or a leg, by the way, and claim you felt threatened for your life. if you feel so threatened, you shoot to kill. fiing a gun is use of lethal force, so you don't do it unless you MUST. cops use hp's to help them have a better chance of stopping the attack sooner, and to reduce over penetration of his body.

airsoft guns can be bought in the mail by anyone, there's no age limit. so nobody had to give the kid anything. he could have had it sent to him in the mail.

 

Yep, how dare some one call the police just because some mentally ill person is waving around a very real looking pistol, and how dare the cops shoot him because the kid pulls it on them when asked to put it down. What (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*), they should have identified the gun as fake easily from several feet away even though it didn't have the orange tip which it's supposed to have and they could have just shot him harmlessly in the leg anyway.

 

The cop had a report of a kid branishing a weapon and carrying it around.

Whether the kid pointed the weapon or not doesn't matter. The kid reached for what the cop had every indication was a real gun. That is all that's needed for justified deadly force.

 

My question is why don't they just make airsoft guns a completely different color altogether instead of just an orange tip. There is know reason they have to look even remotely like a real gun at all.

 

Tell you what, why don't we let you wear some body armor then let you take a round from a high caliber gun? I do have to agree with you about the cameras though, largely because after most people (*)(*)(*)(*) their pants from just looking at a RECORDING of someone killing them we'd get far less arguments like yours.

 

My comments were that some busy-body called the cops so that they would shoot the kid when they showed up and that maybe the busy-body gave the bb gun to the kid. I then updated the thread with the latest information. I don't recall writing that the cops were unjustified in shooting the kid. They probably would have shot a three-year in the same situation.

There were other people (as yet unidentified as to number and their ages) who were also in the area. There's no evidence that they were panicked by the kid's actions although the busy-body claimed that they were "frightened".

The victim's friend stated his first-hand knowledge of the boy's actions. So based on his statements it's safe to conclude that the boy was in the habit of behaving recklessly with the bb gun. Maybe the cops will do a good investigation and get collaborating statements from the people who were in the area and saw the boy's actions.

The question is will anyone learn from this incident and alter his behavior to prevent such a negative outcome for himself?

 

As re bolded, unless you have numbers I'm calling BS. The legs are huge and besides requiring lots of blood they also have to pump it further, the ankles, MOF, have mechanisms that make them a sort of second heart. If you receive a big cut in the legs and femoral arteries it's almost like getting your throat cut, though slower.

Some people here, I think, need to stop playing videos and watching movies.

 

LEO are trained to concentrate on the hands with dealing with a potentially armed individual. If it reaches the point that you have to discharge your weapon, you do not aim to wound or scare. You are defending your life at that point. Sure the police officer is wearing body armor. That doesn't mean that they want to get shot. Even a 12-year-old can get a lucky shot in the head, neck or some other place that kills the cop.

If police officers approach you with guns drawn, do what they tell you. Do NOT pull a weapon out. It will not turn out well. Does anyone know what time Al Sharpton and the New Black Panther Party will be arriving to protest in Cleveland? Will there be looting? I need a new Xbox.

 

So if paint the tip of my very real AR-15 orange that makes it look like an Airsoft then I can expect to point it at cops and they count on them assuming it's not a real gun?

 

Give it a try.

 

Enlighten me on where I could find these "exploding hollow point rounds" please. I wouldn't mind having a box of .40 cal around. Link to them on sale somewhere perhaps?

Thanks

 

What if I pointed a gun at you that a 3rd party, told another 3rd party to tell you was "probably fake"?

Would you feel safe?

And you're misusing the phrase "nanny state" because what that actually refers to is the oppressive over-regulation of liberalism seeking to control every aspect of life under the belief that government knows better.

 

Oh, so the cops should stop and ask him his age, while he is reaching for a replica of a REAL GUN. Orange tip removed.

 

It's not the dispatcher, or the caller's job to determine that.

Seems 12 year old was told when a cop tells you to put your hands up... reach for a fake gun instead.

 

Irrelevant. He was pointing the weapon at other people.

I'd say when someone is told to show their hands, and they reach for a gun in their waistband instead.... they are threatening the officers.

 

Lol... when that bullet misses him, and you're having a funeral for a family member who was a hundred yards behind him.... you'll be calling the cop a brave hero? Sure.

ffs, what a ridiculous post.

 

I get it now.... You have no idea wth you're talking about.

Lol...

 

I was hoping he did know what he is/was talking about. Wouldn't it be awesome to have exploding hollow points around for when TSHTF? Lol

 

The more I read about such stories, the more I have a feeling that people are used to using their guns prior to using their brain. It's easier to shoot than to think. So I think that's the main reason we have so many accidents of this kind.

 

In 1985 I had done the entire routine to get on at Orange Country sherrif. I had drug the dummy and passed all the other test etc. About that time a police officer somewhere out there shot a kid. The kid was really young but had a gun and back in the day they did not have that orange color on them. Well it was dark and all he could see was a very realistic looking handgun pointed at him. What would you do? You would have to fire even if you could not clearly see the details of the face of the person the gun was attached to, I would guess. it was ruled a justified shooting and I belive the officer returned to duty. I deciede to pursue other interest. It would be very difficutl to live with yourself...

 

That or blame the parents for allowing a 12 year old to run around with a replica gun pointing it at people after taking the orange safety tip off.

That would require using the brain though....

 

Truck drivers are more likely to die in the line of duty than cops.

 

Obviously the 12 year old looked more like a "guy" than a "child", "“There is a guy with a pistol,” the caller said. ". And the guy had taken off the markings, the orange tip, that identified it as a fake. Why didn't he obey the commands of the police, that is the question.

 

I realize that there are some with a gun fetish whose dependency causes them to blame the victims in these tragedies, but I sympathize with the police as well.

Surely, an approach can be devised to use less than lethal force in dealing with children acting as foolishly as children often do.

 

He reached for it, they don't have to wait until he points and fires it.