Trump was correct, children are basically immune

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    If you need to defend Trump's unnecessarily saying stupid things that contradict medical experts because of your emotional devotion to him you can.

    Normal folks prefer to be given sound, reliable information.
     
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    And Trump was corrrect. Kids are “basically “ immune.

    Basically
    • used to indicate that a statement summarizes the most important aspects, or gives a roughly accurate account, of a more complex situation.
     
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    If you and Trump think that Typhoid Mary was "basically immune" you are very, very wrong. A carrier of a transmissible disease is not "basically immune" to it, and is capable of causing others great harm.
     
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    And everyone knows kids can carry the virus. The point is they are basically immune to its effects.
    Basically
    “ a roughly accurate account, of a more complex situation”
     
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    kind of off topic a little, more like an observation. it seems the trump supporter backs trumps words, while the opposer to trump says " you guys always back him because you believe anything he says no matter what , even though [science ] says different. well, seems to me that you people [opposers] have been doing the same thing with your own,,,,leaders, bosses ,so called the [right people]. all the celebs and hollywood types who are supposedly woke. an example, i am a man even though i have female body parts. science disagrees but,,,they're RIGHT no matter what science says. kind of a simple case of look in the mirror. please face one simple fact. you hate trump because the PEOPLE of the united states took away YOUR chance to have a scheming , coniving, cheating, lying law flaunting " i'm entitled" woman. just an observation
     
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    Being asymptomatic in no way equates with being "basically immune." Rather, the term "asymptomatic" applies.

    Anyone infected with the virus, regardless of evidencing symptoms, is a carrier, and capable of infecting others who might suffer and die. The fact that they are infected means that they are in no way "immune."

    Again, Typhoid Mary is the relevant example, asymptomatic but a highly contagious carrier, spreading another deadly disease.
     
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    Most people are intelligent enough to know exactly what Trump meant. For those few who don’t or claim not to, well they have bigger problems than Covid.
     
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    Prior to the first case of Covid19, no one was immune nor basically immune, why?

    Answer; It’s a new virus!

    Thus, it is impossible to be immuned to a new virus that has not invaded your body.

    Suggest reading;

    Why people don’t catch the same cold/virus twice?
     
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    What he meant....was that he wanted kids back in school

    He's trying to pretend there will be no ill effects from that and he's WRONG
     
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    He meant exactly what he said. Children are basically immune and they are.
     
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    And he said this because he wants kids back in school...and he is pretending that these kids won't catch and spread this horror
     
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    No matter why you think he said something what he said was accurate.
     
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    Basically immune is a false interpretation of the following indisputable facts;

    There are two main reasons why children who tested positive for Covid19 have to be isolated/quarantined for two weeks;

    a. It takes about two weeks for their immune systems to remove the invading virus from their bodies, thus, about two weeks to develop immunity after being infected.

    b. Covid19 is highly contagious, thus, if infected children do not isolate, they will infect others.

    Thus, Trump’s “basically immune” is a misnomer, and irrational;

    a. It implies that children do not get infected.

    b. It implies that prior to being infected, Children have already developed immunity against Covid19.
     
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    In addition to the above, several studies have shown that among all age groups, young children are far less likely to;

    Get infected
    Be hospitalized, and
    Die from Covid19

    Last, not one scientist/virologist would conclude that children are Covid19 immuned nor basically immuned, why? Because they are not stupid!
     
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    1. Case fatality rate and per capita death rate are not the same thing. Comparing one country's case fatality rate to another's per capita death rate is illogical.

    2. While the virus is less dangerous for people who are young and healthy, they are definitely not immune. Children with respiratory issues such as asthma are still at higher risk. It is irresponsible to tell people their children are immune

    3. Even if children are at lower risk than older individuals, them not being immune means they can still spread the virus to their parents' to their grandparents, and every other adult they come into contact with.
     
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    immune
    [iˈmyo͞on]
    ADJECTIVE
    1. resistant to a particular infection or toxin owing to the presence of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.
      "they were naturally immune to hepatitis B"
      • protected or exempt, especially from an obligation or the effects of something.
        "they are immune from legal action"
    Definition of basically


    1a: at a basic level : in fundamental disposition or naturebasically correctbasically, they are simple people
    b: for the most partthey basically play zone defense



    Basically immune is the perfect description for children
     
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    Immune would imply they don't get infected and can't spread the disease. A carrier is not immune as they still have effects on their lives from the disease, such as having to be isolated.

    Try telling Typhoid Mary that Typhoid wasn't affecting her life.
     
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    It is a terrible description, because it bases itself on the short sighted notion that if one does not die from a virus, then they are immune. The medical definition of immunity to a virus has nothing to do with fatality rate, it has to do with a microorganisms ability to attach to a multicellular organism. If a person is susceptible to the microorganism multiplying in their body and becoming physically ill, then they are definitely not immune.

    The medical definition of immunity has nothing to do with fatality rate, that would be like claiming you have an immunity to herpes since it is not fatal, but even if immunity was based on fatality rate, the notion that children are immune would still be inaccurate since children do die from the virus, be it at a lower rate than individuals who are older
     
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    Right, Trump means whatever will make Trump look good. The actual meaning is irrelevant

    First rule of Trumperism, Trump is always right, and always looks good

    Second rule of Trumperism, in cases of doubt, refer to rule 1.
     
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    In the semantics game the definitions of immune and basically used together perfectly describe children and covid.
     
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    Again that is a short sighted notion, as you are basing that exclusively on fatality rate instead of the medical standard
     
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    I'm linking it to real people talking to eachother.
    For instance at 70 I could say if I get covid I'm basically dead meat. Doesn't mean I would die but chances are very good I would just as chances children would die are very slim as in Basically immune.
     
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    The "semantics game" here is "basically" bullshit

    Children CAN catch the virus and they CAN spread it
     
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    According to who?

    It is semantically incorrect to say children are basically immune to Covid19.

    Covid19 is a deadly and contagious virus, and the reason why Facebook and Twitter had to removed Trump’s statement is because it is very ambiguous, thus, it could easily be misunderstood by the average and below average intelligent people.

    Same reason why the makers of Lysol had to warned the public soon after Trump’s ambiguous disinfectant remarks.
     
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    Just because you survive it doesn't mean you are immune, immunity would mean you are not at risk of getting sick in the first place.

    Think of it this way, some people are immune to chickenpox, these are generally people who have either been vaccinated, or who have contacted the virus once before. Chickenpox is considered less serious for children than it is for adults, however this does not mean children are naturally immune. A child who has never been vaccinated, and who has never contacted the virus before would not be immune, even if their chances of being killed by the virus were low, that does not mean they are immune. If they are at risk of getting sick, they are not immune

    Not being immune would also mean the virus' microorganisms can multiply in your body, and you can potentially spread the virus to other people. Which is also why it is important to use the proper medical term for immunity, and not just use it as a generalized expression.
     
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