Trump was correct, children are basically immune

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  1. Josephwalker

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    That’s your opinion and you are entitled to it. Most of us see it differently.
     
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    That's not really my personal opinion, that's the opinion of the medical experts who study the virus
     
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    Trump wasn’t talking to medical experts. He was talking to everyday Americans about reopening schools and we understood perfectly well what he was saying.
     
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    He was talking, but evidently he wasn't listening. The medical experts in the federal government say children are not immune
     
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    A, CDC is run by TRUMP'S appointee

    B. Fauci is not part of the CDC

    You failed again Joe
     
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    As noted, your blind faith in your Trump means that you cling to the moronic words of a reality-tv performer in critical medical matters and reject that of actual medical experts.
     
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    Can’t take you serious in any conversation when your every post is couched in Trump hate.
     
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    CDC stooges stood next to Fauci as he lied to us about mask thus they lose the same credibility he did.
     
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    Your love of Trump makes you fantasize that the majority of Americans who disapprove of him must "hate" him.

    Try to control your emotional devotion to Trump, and understand that, for most Americans, it is a rational matter.

    Respecting the medical opinion of medical experts does nor entail your "hate."
     
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    That’s the CDC headed by Trump’s hand picked stooge... right?
     
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    By the way... that mask “lie” was intended to ensure that doctors and nurses had the PPE they required.
     
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    Point is he lied to us instead of telling us the truth so what’s he lying to us about now for reasons he deems appropriate?
     
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    I guess you gotta say something huh?
     
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    I hope that you do not feel the need to seek your Trump's advice for your hemorrhoids.

    There are medical professionals whose advice is far more reliable than that of your reality-tv performer, despite your believing whatever he tells you.
     
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    There was a study published on August 27th by the British Medical Journal (one of the top five medical journals in the world) with a very encouraging report on the fate of 651 children hospitalized with COVID-19 in the UK. While of course they aren't "immune" the only six children who died had what they called "profound comorbidity" and even the ones who got critical with the MIS-C syndrome recovered. So this is for hospitalized children, 1% mortality but only in the presence of profound comorbidity, so with a much bigger number of children who did not need hospitalization out there, the mortality rate seems very small and close to zero if there is no profound comorbidity.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3249
     
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    “Basically immune” is a perfectly fine normal description that NORMAL sane people accept. It’s truly amazing how some of these people have survived living with the flu every year.

    Normal sane people don’t hide their children in bubbles every flu season do they? Nope. Kids are basically immune from dying. Some kids die but you don’t STOP life as we know it over the few. Flu kills. Falling off the monkey bars kills. Riding a bike kills. Driving in a car kills. EXTREME ODDS anyone dies from those activities but it happens. Yet we soldier on. This is no different.

    We HAVE TO solider on.
     
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    Regarding children I ultimately agree. The odds of school-age children contracting meningitis or tuberculosis in school and dying from it, although very small, are actually bigger than the odds of school-age children contracting covid-19 in school and dying from it. I went back and forth on this but ultimately this BMJ article I've just quoted finished convincing me that absolutely we need to reopen schools. Children need schools for many other reasons: health, exercise, socialization, school meals, psychological support and development, learning civility, cognitive development, better learning (online learning is not for all kids) and not having school hurts them too. Even riding the school bus has bigger odds of killing children than covid-19.

    Regarding adults I do believe that this virus is more dangerous than most people realize (for various reasons I've explained elsewhere) and people should be prudent until there is a vaccine (which doesn't mean locking down the economy; just, being prudent with some simple and harmless measures).
     
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    Why would you have a problem at any age if children can't get it or spread it?????
    Obviously you believe they can both get the Trump-45 virus AND spread it to you!!!!!
     
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    How can Tramp be correct if over 442,000 children have tested positive for COVID-19 since the onset of the pandemic, and they have been out of school for the summer??? Imagine how many more will become super spreaders during the school year!!!!
     
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    Do you even know what MEDIAN age means????
    I think not!
    It means half the population was OLDER than 15.9 in 2015.
     
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    I hate it when threads I start go on long after I’ve moved on and lost interest. lol
     
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    They probably work for Trump. He’s a masterful genius that can apparently control EVERYTHING, but according to the Left, he’s a total moron too:)
     
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    Statistics mean nothing in a world where reason and accountability are a form of fascism.
    Americans can marinate in this world they’ve allowed to develop.
    I’m far away and don’t care anymore!
     
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    Josephwalker you stated: "Death rate from covid world wide is almost entirely based on demograpics. "

    Monitoring the rate of who gets a specific disease including, when, where and how, necessarily requires the study of human beings not chihuahuas so your comment disease rates of humans are based on "demograpics" (sic) is silly. Demographics is a term that simply means looking at particular groups of humans within the entire human population and that could be based on age, gender, weight, geographic area of course.

    Next you then concluded and stated:

    "The lower the median age the lower the death rate which proves the media jumping all over Trump for his statement on covid and children is just another leftist smear campaign."

    First off even if the lower median age the lower the death rate of Covid 19 is, this does not mean the entire media "jumped all over" Trump. Members of the media, not all, but granted many, have challenged, questioned or been critical of Trump because of his repeated statements of Covid 19 which have proven to not only be untrue but dangerous to the public who might rely on what he says.

    Next, with any disease or illness, we know the older someone is or someone who has a chronic illness will more likely have a compromised immunity system unable to resist certain illnesses and fight them off like a healthy young adult.

    We also know children under a certain age also have compromised immunity systems and have the same vulnerability because their immune systems have not developed.

    We also know children and humans of any age may have pre-existing chronic medical conditions making them more vulnerable to disease.

    None of the above has been questioned. What was challenged was Trump's making an absolute and unqualified statement hat ALL children are safe from Covid 19 and I suggest you at least go back and twig your selective memory as to what he said before you selectively re-write it. No one is arguing children with developed immunity systems may be better in fighting off Covid 19 then compromised persons. No one.

    What you have ignored in fact that what Trump said was proven untrue because contrary to what he said health experts obtained statistics to show that while children make up more than 7% of all coronavirus cases in the U.S. they are only about 22% of the country's population and so given that high number to dismiss as Trump did that children were safe from Covid 19 was utter bull ****. In fact if you bothered to look at US statistics you would see the number and rate of children has continued to increase from March to date.

    The data I refer to is public domain and posted from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Trump has chosen to deliberately ignore those statistics and his medical experts including not just Dr. Fauci but his Surgeon General (head doctor of all US military forces), the John Hopkins Centre and many other leading US disease control centres.

    In fact what he said was proven false and medical evidence now clearly suggests in factchildren likely have the same or higher viral loads in their nasopharynx compared with adults and further that children spread the virus no differently then adults.

    What is also known is that transmission of Covid 19 to and among children was reduced when children were told to stay home.

    I am not sure why you Trump supporters have turned Covid 19 into a partisan excuse to defend Trump but not even his own Republican party base agrees with his spur of the moment false comments about Covid 19 which he clearly makes up on the spot.







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