12-Year-Old Boy Dies After Police in Cleveland Shoot Him

Didn't read the article, did you?

From the article:

Deputy Chief Ed Tomba of the Cleveland police said on Saturday that the boy had not threatened the officers or pointed the weapon at them.​

 

Doesn't matter. How is shooting someone for pointing a gun at you the right thing?

If you have body armor and etc, chances are very good the bullet won't hurt you.

Body armor today stops military caliber rounds.

9mm, .45, .556, .226 etc.

Why is the cop willing to kill a kid rather than take a hit?

Because he is a godgoddam coward is why

 

Yes, there are many questions about this, both related to the kid and the cops.

Here's another good question - did the kid point the gun at the cops, or threaten the cops? From the article:

Deputy Chief Ed Tomba of the Cleveland police said on Saturday that the boy had not threatened the officers or pointed the weapon at them.

 

This is the second time in the last hour that I have been left speechless by the utter stupidity of a post.

 

IF the boy actually DID make a drawing motion, or had the gun in hand, and IF the cops didn't remove the orange tip after the fact, and STILL, the cops are wearing ARMOR, and have instant, flying trip to hospital from other cops. They should have just assumed positions of cover and tried to talk the kid down. Maybe he was suicidal, or under some effect that we don't know about (like tye-sachs disease) cops ARE cowardly, Gestapo prone tyrants and liars. Which is why they HATE the idea of having to wear PERSONAL video cams (which they cannot access to alter or stop).

 

Thank you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Christ.

Someone who actually gets it.

This whole "oh no cops life might be in danger" is such ignorant bullcrap.

Cops that shoot 12 year Olds while hiding behind full body armor are cowards and murderers.

 

If by stupidity you mean complete accuracy.

If you go into a club in full armor and get into a fist fight with someone then shoot them dead.

Guess where you're spending the next 20 years.

Laws exist to protect people from violent psychopaths who shoot the first person to show any signs of aggression at them.

Except that doesn't apply when you're a cop.

44 cop deaths.

1000 killed by cops.

Yeah real dangerous job. .... not.

 

I have friends, who were cops, 40 years ago, who'll tell you that today's cops call a swat team, for stuff that the old timers doesn't even put their HAND on their (holstered) puissant 38 revolver for. full of lead roundnoses that aint worth a hoot in hell for stopping an attacker. they had no body armor, but they knew what advantages they did already have, such as the full weight of the justice system in their favor, society rendering them aid, etc. That was plenty to give them confidence and patience. They weren't cowards like today's cops.

the subway vigilante shot 4unarmed "muggers", all of whom were just cowering, trapped in a subway car, one of them twice, and didn't kill any of them. .38 snub, full of lrn ammo. that stuff is a bad joke.

 

IF, IF, IF, you have no evidence to even suggest that. So just because they have Armor they should take a rd to the chest before firing?

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Things have changed so much in the last 40 years.

 

Yes.

44 cop deaths.

1000 killed by cops.

Chances of surviving are very good obviously.

We should pay cops to die as often as they kill people.

We don't pay them to come home we pay them to do their (*)(*)(*)(*)ing job correctly.

Not kill kids hoping today isn't their day.

In Vietnam sometimes children would blow up soldiers they were called sappers.

Sometimes a soldier would shoot a kid because he was a coward.

The real men took the risk the kid was just a kid rather than shoot him for holding a box.

Coward vs man.

 

I actually agree with you that cops are trigger happy. They have elevated "officer safety" to the Prime Directive, and have placed themselves above the law. It seems they see their safety in danger from even simple, common activities like reaching for a DL when commanded to. Even moving too slowly can get you shot.

The danger always goes up when cops are around.

But I disagree in another respect. Body armor comes in levels of protection and its easy to get armor that will stop a handgun and shotgun (but not a shotgun slug), but typical body armor is not rated to stop a rifle. Even if you wear 2 vests of soft armor, it will not stop a rifle. If you add the plate inserts, the plates will stop most rifles - but the plates have limited coverage.

And a person can die from a shot to the head, hips, or thighs. Plus a hit anywhere can do permamnent debilitating damage.

So if a person does point a gun at a cop (or anyone else), then they are asking for a gunfight. I won't blame the cop for shooting in those circumstances. I would like to think that there are some situations in which the cop takes a chance and tries to talk and bluff the kid to put the gun down, but those days are long gone.

 

$950 stops multiple AK47 rounds. You been out of the business too long.

That's less than a weeks pay for these ********s.

Chances of being shot in the leg or arms or head are astronomically small.

Special Forces train daily to get 2 to the chest 1 in the head. And their accuracy is variable and not as good as you might think.

A gang banger on the street will doubtfully be as accurate.

Hell cops can barely shoot people as it is with their minimal garbage training. For every round that hits someone they miss 12 times.

Cops have on average a 43% accuracy at 6 feet.

Holy (*)(*)(*)(*)ing christ.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/weekinreview/09baker.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

DID the boy point a gun? DID he make a drawing motion? or are the cops lying about it (as usual)? the concealable armor that cops (normally) wear will not stop rifle rds, but the kid had a PISTOL. Now, DID the dispatcher tell the cops that it was a KID? was it dark there and then? DID the dispatcher tell the cops that it was PROBABLY a toy?

on the other hand, what's a 12 year old DOING pointing even toy guns at people, in an urban setting? he's old enough to know that the cops WILL be called about it.

I almost shot a 15-16year old once, and he lived because my pistol got caught on the edge of the table. he'd rounded the corner ofa taco bell (I was eating outside) in CA, and he had an uzi. When the gun got caught, I noticed the water dripping off of his submachinegun, noticed his age, and reholstered my .45. Nobody saw anything, I went on eating.

 

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

Just think of the Vietnam soldier who saw a kid with a box and decided not to shoot before inspecting the box to his relief was not a bomb.

Always remember that soldier who is braver than you and what a lucky dare I say coward you are?

I don't mean coward as an insult just as a fact as someone who acts upon false or incorrect or assumed information for self preservation.

 

wth was cowardly about engaging a submachine gun, in hand already, with a concealed pistol, while handicapped by sitting at a table? The kid's a moron for running around downtown long beach with such a water gun, 1985, no red tip, and he's very, very lucky to be alive (assuming that he still is, which aint likely, given his level of stupidity).

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the busy-body who called 911 didn't give the bb gun to the kid just so that the cops would shoot him when they showed up.

 

The hero waits the extra second despite the potential death so that he knows the shot he takes is the right one.

Watch this.

http://youtu.be/ahUfOeKsAg8

All of it.

It is the manliest scene in the history of film making.

 

How?

Assuming that it has to be done without subjecting citizens or cops to the perceived danger that the gun was real

 

So what is a little danger?

Cops on average miss 12 shots for every hit.

So why so afraid of a 12 year old boy? Is he going to kill someone in the time it takes you to shoot him?

No.

 

Here's an update with video of a witness of the victim. He said that the kid had the bb gun at the park the day before and that he had warned him about playing with it there. He also says that he has one himself but he's older and knows how to be responsible with it. He said that the victim had been shooting at the wall and at tires. The witness (the victim's friend) left before the shooting.

The relevant question is how many other kids in the neighborhood have such items and how many will get shot in the future? Even though they are "toys" they can be dangerous if used against people or windows.

The question remains: who gave the kid the bb gun?

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-...shot-at-cudell-recreation-center-on-west-side

 

Oh Jesus Christ, people still think cops can shoot guns out of people's hands, or "in the leg"? Look, this is reality, not the Lone Ranger.

And if you shoot someone in the leg they're probably just going to die before the ambulance gets there anyway. (You never saw "Three Days in the Valley" ? )

 

Oh he was shooting at walls and tires...my boy would never do such a thing...good thing they shot him.

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Most people survive gun shots to the leg.

Maybe if cops didn't use exploding hollow point rounds for wtf reason then more people would survive cop shootings?